#emc-devel | Logs for 2009-03-25

[00:52:01] <CIA-2> EMC: 03bigjohnt 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/common/user_intro.lyx: add note about different languages
[00:59:14] <SWPadnos> huh. weird that you needed tcl8.5-dev and tk8.4-dev (or was that a typo?)
[00:59:42] <jepler> SWPadnos: yes, a typo
[00:59:49] <SWPadnos> ok, phew :)
[00:59:49] <jepler> remove all the 2.5s and 8.4s and add all the 2.6es and 8.5s
[01:00:09] <SWPadnos> I wonder what I started out with
[01:00:23] <SWPadnos> I think I Had python 2.5 and 2.6, but installed 2.4 today
[01:00:27] <SWPadnos> not sure about tcl/tk
[01:09:56] <SWPadnos> so, dkms is pretty cool
[01:10:52] <SWPadnos> I compiled and installed an RT kernel (installed using 'make install' in the kernel source dir), and it automatically rebuilt the nvidia kernel module when I booted into that kernel
[01:11:24] <SWPadnos> so the full desktop came up, as though nothing had changed (except for the extra minute compiling at boot time)
[01:32:04] <SWPadnos> jepler, thanks for the help, it's mostly working nw
[01:32:27] <SWPadnos> out of curiosity, when you got it to work, did you run the config picker?
[01:32:51] <jepler> SWPadnos: no
[01:32:55] <SWPadnos> for me, the directory names aren't showing up in the configurtation tree
[01:33:01] <SWPadnos> configuration
[01:33:26] <SWPadnos> everything else seems to show up correctly (though it is surprising that the G-code listing in AXIS is a proportional font)
[01:33:28] <jepler> I see
[01:33:30] <jepler> yes it is
[01:33:59] <jepler> I *think* they broke the ability to use X font specifications and old bitmap font names
[01:34:03] <jepler> by switching to fuzzy font tech
[01:34:16] <SWPadnos> ooooh, fuzzy fonts
[01:34:19] <cradek> uh-oh
[01:34:40] <jepler> hah the contrast in reactions is amazing
[01:34:45] <jepler> cradek: http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/emc-axis-jaunty.png
[01:34:48] <SWPadnos> so we can now say "something spindly" instead of *-*-*-TimesNewRoman-*-8-37.4-abracadabra?
[01:34:56] <jepler> the fonts are also so very big
[01:35:00] <jepler> not sure why
[01:35:14] <cradek> 100dpi screen instead of 75 maybe
[01:35:15] <SWPadnos> yes, I noticed that too, I think it has to do with monitor resolution detection
[01:35:29] <cradek> that actually looks pretty nice (except for the proportional thing)
[01:35:50] <cradek> and how the two in/min line up goofily
[01:35:57] <SWPadnos> actually, things look like they're the right physical size on my monitor, instead of being smallish (on the 24" 1920x1200 screen)
[01:36:02] <jepler> cradek: hm, I hadn't noticed that
[01:36:33] <SWPadnos> active G-codes are also a bit cut off I think :)
[01:38:00] <SWPadnos> interesting. the menu and overall window size are smaller on my machine, but the text in the g-code pane is the same physical size
[01:38:20] <jepler> wish 8.4 and 8.5 both running on jaunty, using "-font fixed": http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/8485-fixed-fonts.png
[01:38:48] <jepler> "-font mono" (blech!) now gives a monospace font
[01:39:06] <jepler> and an extremely ugly-ass font on 8.4
[01:39:10] <jepler> f****ing
[01:39:21] <cradek> ugh.
[01:41:17] <jepler> SWPadnos: yes, I get the same effect in pickconfig
[01:42:05] <SWPadnos> ok, that's good-ish
[01:43:39] <jepler> wtf
[01:43:54] <SWPLinux> http://www.cncgear.com/images/Axes-Screenshot.png
[01:44:21] <SWPLinux> I thought that was a little bit interesting
[01:45:20] <cradek> again, screen dpi I bet
[01:45:41] <SWPadnos> oh, is the font in the listing a specific pixel size?
[01:45:51] <SWPadnos> vs. point size
[01:46:01] <cradek> maybe, since it's (supposedly) monospace
[01:46:05] <SWPadnos> ah, ok
[01:46:22] <SWPadnos> it seemed strange that the entire window, as well as all other text, was smaller, but the listing was the same size
[01:46:44] <jepler> http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/emc-axis-jaunty2.png
[01:47:04] <jepler> after disabling a bunch of hacks in axis to try to make things look "nice", ^^^ it actually looks much better
[01:47:06] <SWPLinux> heh. uglier but more correct :)
[01:47:09] <jepler> ugluer?
[01:47:11] <jepler> uglieR?
[01:47:12] <jepler> uglier?
[01:47:21] <SWPLinux> well, that proportional font is pretty
[01:47:23] <cradek> looks pretty good to me
[01:48:12] <jepler> ooh and menu checkboxes finally get checkmarks, not red boxes
[01:48:30] <jepler> otoh they've copied the Windows UI gaffe that unchecked menu items aren't differentiated from commands, so it's a wash
[01:48:30] <SWPLinux> after you remove code? :)
[01:49:53] <jepler> SWPadnos: yes
[01:50:00] <SWPLinux> that's excellent
[01:50:12] <SWPLinux> if it also works more or less on hardy
[01:50:17] <jepler> SWPadnos: no
[01:50:21] <jepler> it's poop on hardy without all my hacks
[01:50:22] <SWPLinux> bummer
[01:50:24] <SWPLinux> heh
[01:50:39] <SWPLinux> I thought you were just competing for most LOC :)
[01:51:40] <jepler> no, under tk8.4 and older every option is carefully crafted to make Tk look the most like win95 as possible
[01:51:56] <jepler> (still not joking)
[01:51:58] <SWPLinux> that's a bummer
[01:52:01] <SWPLinux> yeah, I figured
[02:09:36] <jepler> weird -- running in pickconfig in with8.5, the [file tail /usr/src/emc2-2.3.0~beta2/configs/vismach/] is the empty string
[02:09:49] <jepler> but in all the tests I perform -- whether in 8.4 or 8.5 -- it's "vismach", the expected value
[02:13:19] <SWPLinux> is it an empty string or a space?
[02:13:28] <SWPLinux> (I haven't tested, just wondering)
[02:16:03] <jepler> it's an empty string
[02:16:46] <jepler> ugh, found a minimal program to show the problem
[02:17:05] <SWPLinux> great (?)
[02:17:52] <jepler> .. and a solution
[02:18:03] <SWPLinux> great!
[02:18:12] <jepler> boo
[02:18:18] <jepler> http://pastebin.ca/1371208
[02:18:26] <SWPLinux> meanwhile I'm trying to fine where the hell pickconfig actually *is* in the source tree
[02:18:29] <SWPLinux> find
[02:18:39] <jepler> tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl
[02:18:49] <SWPLinux> oh, of course
[02:19:06] <jepler> apparently tk8.5 introduces some kind of "path object" which doesn't behave quite the same as a string in some circumstances
[02:19:15] <jepler> the [format] trick makes f be a string instead of one of these path objects
[02:20:41] <SWPLinux> interesting
[02:21:09] <SWPLinux> too bad it would be too much of a PITA to actually use path objects instead (I'm assuming)
[02:21:37] <SWPLinux> well, too bad only if it actually does anything better than a string ...
[02:22:04] <jepler> it's supposed to be transparent
[02:22:28] <jepler> if you write [file tail $pathobject] it can be a little more efficient than [file tail $pathstring]
[02:22:37] <jepler> but the person writing the tcl need not think about this
[02:22:44] <jepler> and may treat all values as strings
[02:22:49] <SWPLinux> ah (in theory)
[02:24:33] <SWPLinux> jepler: when you were experimenting with 64-bit/SMP RTAI builds, did you have to do anything special to get the system to crash?
[02:25:02] <jepler> SWPLinux: wait a week or so
[02:25:05] <SWPLinux> you had it up to at least a few days between crashes IIRC
[02:25:09] <SWPLinux> ok, will do
[02:25:29] <jepler> I think I typically had run emc (realtime) but didn't leave it running
[02:25:29] <SWPLinux> hmmm. I really should poke ahole in the firewall before I head for San Jose
[02:25:42] <SWPLinux> ok. I"ve done that a few times
[02:25:59] <SWPLinux> including versions that died at startup due to the tcl/python mismatches
[02:51:50] <SWPLinux> I fixed pickconfig here - should I commit, and if so should I do it on TRUNK only or 2.3 as well?
[02:52:37] <SWPLinux> I haven't tested on anything other than tcl8.5, but since I only added a few set xx [format %s $xx] lines, I wouldn't expect a problem with other versions
[03:08:24] <jepler> you can commit it on TRUNK if you like
[03:08:28] <jepler> not on 2.3
[03:08:34] <jepler> jaunty is so uninteresting I'd hate to hurt 2.3 for it
[03:08:45] <jepler> 'night
[03:11:28] <SWPadnos> see you
[03:11:45] <SWPadnos> I guess I'll wait for a reboot - it looks like I have the crashing problem too
[03:11:47] <SWPadnos> :(
[03:11:48] <CIA-2> EMC: 03seb 07TRUNK * 10emc2/tests/hm2-idrom/check-dmesg: hardy's python 2.5 has the function exit(), dapper's python 2.4 doesn't
[03:23:29] <CIA-2> EMC: 03seb 07v2_3_branch * 10emc2/tests/hm2-idrom/check-dmesg: hardy's python 2.5 has the function exit(), dapper's python 2.4 doesn't
[09:20:08] <fenn_> fenn_ is now known as fenn
[11:10:36] <CIA-2> EMC: 03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/po/pl.po: translation from micges
[11:15:35] <alex_joni> micges_emc: can you check if all is ok with pl translations?
[11:32:21] <micges> sure
[11:39:14] <alex_joni> I'll commit it to 2.3 soon
[11:39:22] <alex_joni> on this PC I didn't have the branch checked out
[11:44:35] <CIA-2> EMC: 03alex_joni 07v2_3_branch * 10emc2/src/po/pl.po: from TRUNK, polish translation by micges
[12:12:51] <micges_emc> alex_joni: translation ok in TRUNK and branch 2.3
[12:28:12] <CIA-2> EMC: 03bigjohnt 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/hal/ (components.lyx hal-examples.lyx): finish velocity example
[12:28:23] <CIA-2> EMC: 03bigjohnt 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/hal/images/velocity-01.png: finish velocity example
[12:32:19] <alex_joni> micges_emc: thanks for checking and for translating
[12:39:41] <micges_emc> welcome
[13:21:06] <CIA-2> EMC: 03bigjohnt 07v2_3_branch * 10emc2/docs/src/hal/hal-examples.lyx: finish velocity example
[13:21:07] <CIA-2> EMC: 03bigjohnt 07v2_3_branch * 10emc2/docs/src/hal/images/velocity-01.png: finish velocity example
[14:10:19] <SWPadnos> yeah - and stay out! :)
[14:10:28] <skunkworks_> heh
[14:11:47] <skunkworks_> I figure I am pushing my luck in emc-devel
[14:11:48] <skunkworks_> :)
[14:12:21] <SWPadnos> heh
[14:12:41] <SWPadnos> me too, most of the time ;)
[14:19:35] <skunkworks_> You guys are great! :)
[14:19:49] <cradek> have you decided whether you can make it to wichita in may?
[14:20:32] <SWPadnos> me?
[14:20:45] <cradek> well both of you
[14:21:14] <SWPadnos> yes, I think I'm going. just got the word yesterday that the May project is kaput
[14:21:21] <cradek> yay, I guess
[14:21:26] <SWPadnos> yeah
[14:21:32] <SWPadnos> actually, I'm wondering how many people will need hotel rooms
[14:21:54] <SWPadnos> I was thinking about calling the Hampton Inn and Days Inn or Clarion or whatever to see about group rates
[14:22:09] <cradek> that would be very nice of you
[14:22:19] <SWPadnos> gotta get a head count first though :)
[14:22:23] <SWPadnos> maybe I'll email the list
[14:22:33] <cradek> you probably won't get a very precise count
[14:22:44] <SWPadnos> no, but "5" or "25" is close enough :)
[14:23:50] <cradek> count me a definite maybe
[14:23:58] <SWPadnos> heh. bus acting up?
[14:24:30] <cradek> It needs a few little repairs, but mostly I just haven't decided yet.
[14:24:40] <SWPadnos> heh
[14:24:53] <SWPadnos> yeah, I'm sure it's easier to ride in a small car than it is to drive a big bus
[14:25:00] <cradek> yes
[14:25:05] <SWPadnos> and the fule vs hotel costs can't be that different either
[14:25:07] <SWPadnos> fuel
[14:25:29] <cradek> dunno - 7ish nights * 50-60 is a lot of money
[14:25:42] <cradek> rooms seemed kind of expensive there
[14:26:04] <SWPadnos> yeah. the Days Inn is ~$55 (there are multiple rates between 50 and 59), and the Hampton is $80
[14:26:29] <cradek> so 65-90 for the real prices
[14:26:37] <SWPadnos> I'll probably stay at the Hampton, unless the Days Inn gives a spectacular discount
[14:26:43] <SWPadnos> yeah
[14:27:32] <SWPadnos> I think the breakfast at the Hampton would be better, and internet access is likely better as well (my room was the only one that had passable signal strength, IIRC)
[14:29:01] <jepler> * jepler tries to imagine whether slightly more comfort or better odds of internet is worth $25 a day
[14:29:10] <SWPadnos> food!
[14:29:13] <jepler> seems like it has to not be
[14:29:16] <SWPadnos> heh
[14:29:28] <SWPadnos> well, for me, I like the HHonors points too :)
[14:29:40] <jepler> in that case, I'll let you pay for my room
[14:29:48] <SWPadnos> and the beds are really really comfortable - feather pillows and feather comforters and stuff
[14:30:23] <cradek> a toaster, loaf of real bread, and a stick of real butter beats all motel breakfasts
[14:30:49] <SWPadnos> heh
[14:30:56] <SWPadnos> motel yes, hotel no :)
[14:31:14] <cradek> but I'm a cheapskate
[14:31:19] <SWPadnos> the Hamptons vary quite a bit. I've had really good breakfasts there, and I've had "eh" breakfasts too
[14:33:03] <jepler> hah -- the second (and third and fourth) map hit for 'vegetarian in wichita ks' is Domino's Pizza. http://maps.google.com/maps?q=vegetarian+in+wichita+ks
[14:33:15] <cradek> jepler: it's pretty much a wasteland
[14:33:22] <SWPadnos> heh
[14:33:29] <cradek> I found one place that was supposed to have falafel but I never made it there
[14:33:31] <jepler> they have a wholefoods now, but it looks like it's out of the way
[14:33:35] <SWPadnos> the Thai place was pretty good
[14:33:37] <jepler> I also get hits for indian now
[14:33:43] <SWPadnos> Wichita is out of the way ...
[14:33:47] <cradek> oh, maybe it's improving then
[14:35:11] <jepler> they've also got something called "green acres market" which looks promising (organic grocery)
[14:43:39] <skunkworks_> when we where in vegas we stopped at a whole foods - we bought a lot of inexpensive groceries. (fresh fruit and such)
[14:44:29] <skunkworks_> The closed whole foods around here is about 2 hours away. they are not as cheap as we found out. being close to where a lot of stuff is grown helps I bet in vegas.
[14:44:39] <skunkworks_> *closest
[14:45:19] <SWPadnos> bulk probably helps in Vegas
[14:48:47] <BJT-Work> isn't in Vegas where that guy takes all the scrap food from the hotels to feed his pigs...
[15:49:08] <CIA-2> EMC: 03swpadnos 07TRUNK * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl:
[15:49:08] <CIA-2> EMC: tcl8.5 deals with file paths a little differently. make dir names show up in config tree
[15:49:08] <CIA-2> EMC: (thanks to jepler for finding the problem)
[15:50:18] <SWPadnos> huh - interesting "coincidence" there
[16:12:55] <seb_kuzminsky> all those failures is me messing with the buildbot, never mind...
[16:13:21] <alex_joni> no problem :)
[16:13:27] <alex_joni> we figured as much
[16:14:00] <cradek> * cradek laughs at #emc
[16:14:24] <SWPadnos> yeah. I just wish you'd do that some time I didn't just commit something :)
[16:14:28] <SWPadnos> heh, yeah
[16:15:22] <skunkworks_> * skunkworks_ likes being the instigator
[16:19:50] <SWPadnos> geez seb, cut it out :)
[16:20:08] <seb_kuzminsky> what you dont like the spam?
[16:20:17] <SWPadnos> heh
[16:20:30] <seb_kuzminsky> just think how awesome it will be when it comes back and you can see click on the dmesg for the realtime tests
[16:20:42] <seb_kuzminsky> "it was all worth it", you'll say
[16:20:48] <SWPadnos> I already say that
[16:46:58] <seb_kuzminsky> http://emc2-buildbot.colorado.edu/buildbot-admin/builders/lenny-x86-trunk-realtime-rip/builds/158/steps/get-dmesg/logs/stdio
[16:47:16] <seb_kuzminsky> oops, i meant this: http://emc2-buildbot.colorado.edu/buildbot/builders/lenny-x86-trunk-realtime-rip/builds/158/steps/get-dmesg/logs/stdio
[16:53:30] <SWPadnos> hmmm. any way to get the timestamps also?
[16:53:54] <SWPadnos> that looks like several runs are in there (from all the RT tests?)
[16:54:32] <seb_kuzminsky> the dmesg -c failed, i'm hupping the buildbot now to go to the fixed config
[16:54:39] <SWPadnos> ah, ok
[16:55:16] <seb_kuzminsky> emc2-buildmaster: hello
[16:55:16] <emc2-buildmaster> yes?
[16:58:45] <alex_joni> emc2-buildmaster: how are you?
[17:01:15] <alex_joni> not very friendly today it seems
[17:01:59] <SWPadnos> heh. I just checked out gphoto (I really need to learn how to use SVN - the total repo is 1.8GB)
[17:02:19] <SWPadnos> there's a README.in file - something I've never seen before
[17:02:51] <alex_joni> probably things get changed by configure
[17:02:53] <SWPadnos> they replace some website addresses and stuff - too funny
[17:03:01] <SWPadnos> yeah, camera compatibility list too
[17:03:05] <alex_joni> heh
[17:20:54] <seb_kuzminsky> ok i think the kinks are worked out
[17:21:02] <seb_kuzminsky> http://emc2-buildbot.colorado.edu/buildbot/builders/hardy-x86-2.3-realtime-rip/builds/6/steps/get-dmesg/logs/stdio
[17:24:56] <seb_kuzminsky> guh, it'd be nice to have some more slaves running - currently there are three virtual machines serving like 9 builds each
[17:25:08] <seb_kuzminsky> anyone want to run a buildslave vm? they're low maintenance!
[17:25:11] <alex_joni> that sure is a long dmesg
[17:25:35] <seb_kuzminsky> each test gets its own realtime start/stop
[17:25:44] <alex_joni> lots of hm2 stuff though
[17:26:01] <alex_joni> [ 1396.416697] hm2_test.0: hm2_test fails HM2 registration
[17:26:12] <seb_kuzminsky> the hm2 test tries to feed the idrom parser a bunch of invalid idroms
[17:26:38] <seb_kuzminsky> hm2_test is a "low-level" driver that runs without hardware, and just hands various pre-defined invalid idroms to hostmot2
[17:26:53] <alex_joni> ah, ok
[17:27:07] <alex_joni> does it try to feed valid ones too?
[17:27:11] <seb_kuzminsky> compare to the test reports, where a little script greps the dmesg for the proper failure message
[17:27:18] <seb_kuzminsky> alex_joni: no, not yet
[17:28:09] <alex_joni> even better (the "not yet" part - which implies it'll probably do at some point ;)
[17:28:17] <seb_kuzminsky> heh
[17:35:36] <seb_kuzminsky> i was hoping the dmesg would be useful in tracking down test failures like this:
[17:35:37] <seb_kuzminsky> http://emc2-buildbot.colorado.edu/buildbot/builders/dapper-x86-2.3-realtime-rip/builds/1/steps/runtests/logs/stdio
[17:35:51] <seb_kuzminsky> search for: Can't write to /dev/rtai_shm - aborting
[17:36:00] <seb_kuzminsky> transient and non-reproducible
[17:36:12] <seb_kuzminsky> the dmesg for that might have been helpful...
[17:37:07] <alex_joni> probably a bad shutdown on the previous runtest
[17:37:27] <seb_kuzminsky> could be
[17:41:39] <alex_joni> * alex_joni guesses 9 for fest
[17:41:53] <seb_kuzminsky> are you coming alex?
[17:42:03] <alex_joni> seb_kuzminsky: unfortunately no
[17:42:08] <seb_kuzminsky> bummer
[17:42:18] <alex_joni> yup, indeed it is
[17:42:28] <alex_joni> maybe next time
[17:42:40] <alex_joni> (seems I keep saying that, and people stopped actually believing that :D)
[17:54:21] <seb_kuzminsky> bbl lunch
[18:04:12] <alex_joni> BJT-Work: around?
[18:39:31] <CIA-2> EMC: 03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/po/it_axis.po: updated translation from Ernesto Lo Valvo
[18:39:53] <CIA-2> EMC: 03jepler 07v2_3_branch * 10emc2/src/po/it_axis.po: updated translation from Ernesto Lo Valvo
[18:58:45] <BJT-Work> alex_joni: just came back in from a customer
[19:00:28] <alex_joni> got 5 minutes?
[19:00:52] <BJT-Work> ok
[19:00:57] <BJT-Work> what's up
[19:01:40] <alex_joni> fireboard is gone :)
[19:01:54] <BJT-Work> ok
[19:02:12] <alex_joni> I removed it, but installed kunena
[19:02:21] <BJT-Work> cool
[19:02:22] <alex_joni> which is the new name for it, and it's a newer version
[19:02:55] <alex_joni> link in pm
[19:03:58] <BJT-Work> ok
[19:04:12] <BJT-Work> looks nicer
[19:04:25] <alex_joni> well.. it's customizable
[19:04:38] <BJT-Work> cool
[19:04:41] <alex_joni> themes & such, but I don't feel like spending lots of time on it yet :)
[19:04:51] <BJT-Work> is it turned on?
[19:05:06] <alex_joni> for now :D
[19:05:17] <BJT-Work> :)
[19:06:44] <BJT-Work> can we use it for now?
[19:09:24] <alex_joni> beats me :D
[19:09:36] <BJT-Work> LOL
[19:10:22] <BJT-Work> I think it will be a good thing to have
[19:14:02] <BJT-Work> * BJT-Work heads out to catch some fish for dinner :)
[19:14:06] <BJT-Work> talk to you later
[20:03:22] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: what's going on with the buildbot?
[20:03:32] <jepler> or should I read the scrollback instead
[20:04:04] <jepler> no, that doesn't quite explain why it's a ton of failures
[20:06:51] <alex_joni> 18:06 < seb_kuzminsky> all those failures is me messing with the buildbot,
[20:06:51] <alex_joni> never mind...
[20:07:07] <alex_joni> jepler: it was earlier in the scrollback
[20:08:21] <jepler> oh no wonder
[20:08:25] <jepler> I only have up to 15:08 in my scrollback
[20:08:27] <seb_kuzminsky> i changed the realtime-rip builds to clear the dmesg before running runtests and then recording the dmesg after the runtests
[20:08:29] <jepler> you're reading ahead of me
[20:08:51] <seb_kuzminsky> i messed up the password-less sudo on the buildslaves and a whole bunch of the builds failed
[20:09:04] <seb_kuzminsky> it's all fixed now and you can see the relevant bits of the dmesg after the tests finish
[20:09:07] <seb_kuzminsky> sorry for the noise earlier
[20:09:41] <jepler> no problem, I'll just delete the messages to stay under my 10mb quota on rocketmail.com
[20:09:56] <jepler> (yes, that's some kind of joke. the unfunny kind)
[20:10:21] <alex_joni> it would have been funnier if you would have said yahoo :D
[20:10:33] <jepler> they bought rocketmail. bastards.
[20:10:37] <alex_joni> bah
[20:10:51] <alex_joni> * alex_joni wonders if the buildbot can post to a forum
[20:10:58] <seb_kuzminsky> heh - "quota"
[20:11:00] <alex_joni> * alex_joni hides quickly
[20:11:10] <seb_kuzminsky> alex_joni: well it can post to irc, but i told it not to
[20:11:37] <jepler> "For the delivery of mail by rockets, see rocket mail." -- thanks wikipedia
[20:11:50] <seb_kuzminsky> buildbot has a pretty good internal architecture so it's easy to write new notifiers
[20:11:56] <seb_kuzminsky> so go for it! :-P
[20:12:37] <alex_joni> thank you so much, but I'll pass
[20:12:57] <seb_kuzminsky> or wait, i know, post a message to the forum telling people to join the mailing list :-P
[20:14:00] <alex_joni> ha
[20:14:04] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: on your way to fest, can you go to sparkfun and pick up "two of each thing" just in case we need something to play with? I'm sure we need to somehow use GPS over bluetooth as a feedback system for an RCservo mill powered by Arduinos
[20:14:20] <seb_kuzminsky> heh
[20:14:38] <alex_joni> where are them lazzers?
[20:14:50] <jepler> I dunn oif they have any lasers
[20:14:53] <seb_kuzminsky> i went to sparkfun once to pick up a board they'd made for me (via their "BatchPCB" service)
[20:15:01] <jepler> oh yes, the ydo
[20:15:01] <seb_kuzminsky> it's a copy of your L298 pwm amp
[20:15:18] <seb_kuzminsky> they've got some cool stuffs
[20:15:41] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: hopefully ingrid and I can make another trip to colorado this year .. if we do, I'll sure have to find a way to stop out at sparkfun
[20:16:20] <seb_kuzminsky> cool
[20:16:35] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe we can get the girls together to geek out over community gardening
[20:16:53] <jepler> I'm sure Ingrid would like that
[20:17:07] <seb_kuzminsky> Kerry's setting up a freaking bee hive in our back yard
[20:17:11] <seb_kuzminsky> and she calls *me* crazy
[20:17:36] <jepler> mmm comb honey
[20:17:46] <jepler> ingrid's organization keeps some bee hives, but outside the city
[20:17:51] <seb_kuzminsky> it's got, like, *no* electronics
[20:17:53] <seb_kuzminsky> boooooring
[20:20:43] <skunkworks_> so - who has started their seedlings?
[20:20:51] <seb_kuzminsky> me
[20:21:00] <seb_kuzminsky> and by that i mean "my wife"
[20:21:30] <seb_kuzminsky> my contribution was an adjustable growlight frame made from aluminum ;-)
[20:22:33] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks: how about yours
[20:22:34] <alex_joni> hopefully milled
[20:22:48] <skunkworks_> we have some things (summer squash) that is at 6" (might have been early ;))
[20:22:53] <skunkworks_> this is our first time.
[20:23:05] <seb_kuzminsky> are they inside still?
[20:23:08] <skunkworks_> yes
[20:23:15] <skunkworks_> watermellon is taking off also.
[20:23:23] <seb_kuzminsky> should be ok then? i dunno
[20:24:47] <skunkworks_> we re-planted last night the bigger ones
[20:26:34] <seb_kuzminsky> alex_joni: nah :-(
[20:26:45] <seb_kuzminsky> alex_joni: hand-cut extrusions bolted together
[20:26:47] <seb_kuzminsky> http://highlab.com/~seb/bzr/fabrication/projects/Done/seedling-frame/pics/Photo_012409_004-2009.01.24-15.53.40.jpg
[20:27:06] <jepler> Ingrid has had plants going since january using heaters and grow-lights
[20:27:23] <skunkworks_> wow
[20:27:25] <jepler> unfortunately, she has some of them outside in a coldframe, but it blew open last night and some of the plants may have frozen :(
[20:27:52] <seb_kuzminsky> you need to build her a stronger cold frame ;-)
[20:28:17] <jepler> the problem is in securing the plastic, not in the frame itself
[20:28:24] <jepler> I think, anyway
[20:29:29] <skunkworks_> we are not really that organized
[20:30:23] <seb_kuzminsky> kerry's cold frame still has leafy greens that she planted last fall
[20:30:51] <seb_kuzminsky> it was neat shoveling the snow off it and harvesting lettuce and spinach in january :-D
[20:31:15] <skunkworks_> wow
[20:31:18] <skunkworks_> again
[20:31:57] <cradek> I have read, but not experienced, that greens are often fine after freezing - the trick is you can't pick them while they're frozen - wait for a warmer day.
[20:32:36] <seb_kuzminsky> that seems believable to me
[20:32:58] <alex_joni> fine for picking maybe
[20:33:13] <jepler> I understand there's a ton of stuff in the cold frame at the farm, enough to sell it
[20:33:13] <alex_joni> I doubt they can live on afterwards :)
[20:33:32] <cradek> alex_joni: I think they do, actually
[20:33:39] <jepler> not sure exactly what, but I think it's slightly hardier stuff like kale
[21:58:19] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: are you around?
[23:26:18] <BigJohnT> alex_joni: you still around?
[23:58:02] <cradek> I bet he's long asleep