#emc-devel | Logs for 2008-10-14

[00:44:11] <skunkworks_> jmkasunich: http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/servostart/amp.JPG
[00:48:17] <jmkasunich> saw that when I read back - looking good
[00:50:02] <cradek> I wonder how to get all of bigjohnt's new lyx files to show up at http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/
[00:50:30] <jmkasunich> I thought that was automagic?
[00:50:47] <jmkasunich> or does the magic only work for updates to existing files?
[00:50:50] <cradek> they get updated automatically, but I don't think new files get there
[00:50:58] <cradek> I don't know how it works
[00:51:13] <cradek> but I've seen commits go by for files I've never seen
[00:51:30] <cradek> linux-tips or something like that is one of them
[00:51:38] <jmkasunich> yeah
[00:51:56] <cradek> I don't have a pdf either - maybe those get included into one of the big pdfs
[00:55:49] <jmkasunich> Linux_FAQ is included in Getting_Started and Master_Integrator
[00:56:35] <cradek> I don't see an htmlized version of that
[00:57:22] <jmkasunich> maybe the lyx to HTML needs help processing includes?
[00:57:43] <jmkasunich> or maybe it doesn't do includes - each section is its own page
[00:58:44] <cradek> * cradek shrugs
[00:59:05] <jmkasunich> ditto
[00:59:45] <SWPadnos> there's a file called mpg_examples.html (in french too), but it doesn't seem to be linked from anything else
[01:00:23] <jmkasunich> DOC_SRCS := \
[01:00:23] <jmkasunich> code/Code_Notes.lyx \
[01:00:23] <jmkasunich> code/Style_Guide.lyx \
[01:00:23] <jmkasunich> code/NML_Messages.lyx \
[01:00:45] <jmkasunich> and many more, in the Submakefile
[01:01:12] <jmkasunich> at first I thought Linux_FAQ wasn;t in the list, but it is
[01:03:56] <cradek> some day the nice homing diagram needs an update for index-only
[01:04:18] <cradek> as if there aren't currently enough cases in it
[01:05:09] <SWPadnos> it's too confusing. we need to remove all but one case and use that exclusively
[01:05:23] <SWPadnos> damn the variations, full speed ahead!
[01:06:30] <jmkasunich> hmm, there is dxf source for the homing diagram, but not native easycad source
[01:06:45] <jmkasunich> there is .eps output, but I can't recall how I created it
[01:06:53] <cradek> I figured you just had it somewhere
[01:07:18] <jmkasunich> I probaby do, I decided to "do the right thing" and use the source from the tree if possible
[01:07:43] <SWPadnos> inkscape can probably import dxf and output eps
[01:07:53] <SWPadnos> but I don't know how to do that (with inkscape)
[01:08:18] <jmkasunich> yes, I do have the .FC7 file here
[01:08:46] <jmkasunich> ISTR I did the eps output by "printing" to a ps printer driver in doze95
[01:09:08] <jmkasunich> there has got to be a better (and Free) way
[01:10:20] <cradek> the alternative is qcad
[01:10:29] <cradek> you'd have to learn to love it, I guess
[01:10:41] <SWPadnos> where's the dxf in the source tree?
[01:10:55] <jmkasunich> docs/src/code
[01:14:11] <SWPadnos> OOO Draw has dxf import. I'm not sure how well it works
[01:15:06] <SWPadnos> ah, it works great once you kill explorer
[01:15:34] <jmkasunich> Draw is the OO counterpart to Visio?
[01:15:43] <SWPadnos> uh - maybe
[01:15:49] <SWPadnos> it's the thing that lets you do line drawings
[01:19:46] <jmkasunich> people at work use Visio for non-CAD type drawings - block diagrams, stuff like that
[01:19:53] <jmkasunich> I absolutely abhor it
[01:20:01] <skunkworks_> abhor?
[01:20:10] <skunkworks_> * skunkworks_ googles
[01:20:11] <jmkasunich> we hates it
[01:20:16] <skunkworks_> heh
[01:20:58] <SWPadnos> I didn't like Visio when I tried it
[01:21:12] <SWPadnos> then again, there aren't really any diagramming programs that I've tried that are very good
[01:21:28] <jmkasunich> "abhor: to regard with extreme repugnance : loathe"
[01:22:35] <jmkasunich> what did we do before google?
[01:22:57] <SWPadnos> we bought printed dictionaries and walked over to them
[01:23:00] <jmkasunich> I think there were these things called books
[01:23:09] <SWPadnos> and thesauri and encyclopedias
[01:23:39] <jmkasunich> thesauri? now you're just showin' off
[01:23:40] <cradek> I was just laughing about printed encyclopedias the other day
[01:24:24] <cradek> they told you everything (ha) about everything (ha) that existed in 1979 or some other year far in the past
[01:24:49] <cradek> and took up shelf-feet
[01:25:10] <jmkasunich> and were quite expensive
[01:25:21] <skunkworks_> oh wait - I heard about encyclopedias...
[01:30:19] <SWPadnos> just 137 easy payments of $49.99
[01:30:27] <SWPadnos> (in 1979 dollars too)
[01:30:40] <jmkasunich> "an investment in your child's education"
[01:30:56] <SWPadnos> "an investment in my childs education"
[01:31:17] <SWPadnos> "and my boat"
[01:31:24] <jmkasunich> heh
[01:32:38] <jmkasunich> a couple weeks ago I was at a the barking spider (a live music place/bar) which is adjacent to the campus where I went to college
[01:32:45] <jmkasunich> I took a walk around the campus
[01:33:03] <jmkasunich> the physical place hasn't changed much - a few new buildings, a few buildings gone
[01:33:16] <SWPadnos> it's all the toddlers attending that get me
[01:33:17] <jmkasunich> but it made me think about the changes in the way students live now
[01:33:48] <jmkasunich> when I went there, the PC wasn't quite here, all our computer classes used terminals attached to a mainframe or minicomputer
[01:33:51] <SWPadnos> ipod, internet, google in the room, laser printers ...
[01:33:58] <jmkasunich> there were no computers (or even terminals) in the dorms
[01:36:07] <SWPadnos> they started a program where first-year engineering students were required to buy a new computer
[01:36:13] <SWPadnos> an AT&T 6300 :)
[01:37:14] <cradek> heh, I used to "surf" usenet on a serial terminal on campus too
[01:37:49] <jmkasunich> either usenet wasn't around, or I didn't know about it, or there was no access to it
[01:37:59] <jmkasunich> computing was very localised for me
[01:38:00] <SWPadnos> you didn't know about it :)
[01:38:03] <cradek> I may have used my HP calculator more than a PC for my classes
[01:38:13] <SWPadnos> I'm pretty sure usenet has been around since the early '70s
[01:38:18] <SWPadnos> or mid-70s
[01:38:27] <jmkasunich> probably
[01:38:35] <jmkasunich> but quite limited
[01:38:41] <SWPadnos> HP calculators have saved my ass on several tests
[03:13:11] <cradek> huh, I forgot about LOGOPEN, LOG, LOGCLOSE
[08:42:34] <Lerman____> Lerman____ is now known as Lerman
[13:33:18] <micges> I have strange problem
[13:33:36] <micges> today I migrate from 2.1.7 to 2.2.6
[13:34:14] <micges> and with the same PID params machine is unusable in 2.2.6
[13:35:05] <micges> very strong vibrations
[13:35:45] <micges> same pid-thread frequency (286 us)
[13:36:25] <micges> machine is 3axis servo table mill analog-servo-speed-input-driven
[13:36:40] <micges> Is it possible ?
[13:39:18] <cradek> cvs diff -rRELEASE_2_1_7 -rRELEASE_2_2_6 pid.c shows that the only difference in PID between those versions is a typo fix in a comment
[13:40:03] <cradek> so it must be a scaling or thread time difference
[13:40:55] <cradek> I do not see any relevant changes here either: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?UPDATING#Changes_between_2_1_x_and_2_2_x
[13:41:26] <micges> mee too
[13:41:36] <micges> I've checked params many times
[13:41:53] <micges> ok
[13:42:27] <cradek> did you have to make any changes to the hal or ini or are they an exact copy?
[13:43:11] <micges> ini is exact copy and hal part with pid connections are the same in all my machines
[13:44:03] <micges> when I clarify if this is emc problem I'll let you know
[13:44:07] <micges> thanks
[13:44:12] <cradek> I hope you find it
[13:45:00] <micges> not today, 15 min at work left :)