#emc-devel | Logs for 2008-09-08

[02:51:49] <cradek> hi all
[02:52:19] <LawrenceG> hi Chris whats up?
[02:52:37] <cradek> just hanging out in chicago waiting for IMTS to start (tomorrow)
[02:53:22] <LawrenceG> cool.... sounds like your lathe is progressing well... sounds like a very nice machine
[02:54:00] <cradek> yes it's coming along. I still have a little problem with Z and might need to have the ballscrew rebuilt. but otherwise it's great.
[02:54:55] <LawrenceG> minor technical difficulties :}
[02:55:12] <cradek> yeah, minor if I have a credit card
[02:55:22] <LawrenceG> compared with a new control retro anyway
[02:55:39] <cradek> yeah. that part is working great.
[02:57:02] <LawrenceG> I was pleasantly surprised.... pcbexpress software seems to run fine under wine... I had to look at someones design and it was all done in the pcbexpress suite
[02:57:44] <cradek> neat.
[02:58:04] <cradek> wine has come along. I don't use it regularly but it seems to be capable.
[02:58:09] <LawrenceG> it has been a while since I bothered with wine because most attempts ended in failure for one reason or another
[02:58:51] <LawrenceG> I should try acad 14 again.... I hate having to drag out the old windows box
[02:59:07] <cradek> yeah it might work fine.
[02:59:20] <cradek> I run acad r12 in qemu (on Freedos)
[03:00:19] <LawrenceG> I tried qcad, but it just doesnt click with me.... I have a lot of hours on acad and am used to the way it does stuff
[03:00:32] <cradek> me too me too
[03:00:47] <cradek> qcad's lack of plines and 3d is a huge turnoff for me too
[03:01:24] <cradek> http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/cinci-model.png
[03:01:44] <cradek> silly little thing I drew the other day - but it would have been a huge pain without basic 3d
[03:03:14] <LawrenceG> a picture really helps ... the 5 axis stuff hurts my head... glad you young guys have enough brain cells left to figure it out!
[03:03:33] <cradek> ha
[03:04:01] <LawrenceG> I reverted to old tube radios..... return to childhood I guess
[03:04:17] <LawrenceG> just getting dark here
[03:05:07] <cradek> not many folks are old enough to have built regens in their childhood...
[03:05:26] <cradek> at least when they were in common use.
[03:05:32] <cradek> (I've built one too)
[03:05:48] <cradek> I have a couple neat variometers and someday I'll make one with those
[03:06:26] <LawrenceG> me included... one of the local hams brought a 1924 crosley 3 tube radio to coffee.... it got me inspired to build one
[03:06:44] <LawrenceG> my parts were not quite that old
[03:07:06] <cradek> I have some parts that old - not sure if I have a whole radio's worth though.
[03:07:36] <LawrenceG> a lot of stuff showing up here as the old hams die off
[03:07:38] <cradek> I like the 26/27 early AC tubes, and of course the 30/31/32 that everyone wants to use (30s are getting pretty rare)
[03:07:58] <cradek> 30 is a good tube for a battery powered regen
[03:08:10] <cradek> they'll run for a long time on two D cells
[03:09:08] <LawrenceG> cool... there is a guy on ebay with 35 829 dual triode tubes for sale... trying to decide what they would be good for.... about the size of a coffee cup
[03:09:34] <LawrenceG> some audi guys use them for output stages
[03:09:38] <LawrenceG> audio
[03:10:12] <LawrenceG> search rca 829b
[03:10:49] <LawrenceG> cool dual plate leads out the top
[03:11:42] <cradek> ah, neat tube
[03:11:52] <cradek> looks like it has horns.
[03:11:58] <LawrenceG> maybe a 10watt regen!
[03:12:49] <cradek> a.k.a. transmitter
[03:13:23] <jmkasunich> cradek: IMTS? envy
[03:13:32] <LawrenceG> yea.... the regens make pretty good transmitters when they oscillate
[03:13:39] <cradek> jmkasunich: still plenty of hours for you to get here
[03:13:49] <SWPadnos> only about 1 if you fly
[03:13:52] <SWPadnos> (2 for me
[03:13:54] <SWPadnos> )
[03:13:57] <jmkasunich> heh, minor problem of work
[03:14:11] <cradek> LawrenceG: yeah, they quickly started putting an rf stage in front of the detector/oscillator for that reason
[03:14:22] <jmkasunich> we're getting to crunch time for the project I'm on (and zero notice vacation isn't good at any time)
[03:14:30] <jmkasunich> is IMTS every year, or every other?
[03:14:33] <SWPadnos> it's work!
[03:14:37] <cradek> every other
[03:14:45] <jmkasunich> bummer
[03:14:52] <jmkasunich> need to mark my calender
[03:15:15] <SWPadnos> I'm sure moving those 50-ton machines around is bad for the advertising budget
[03:15:34] <SWPadnos> err - "marketing"
[03:15:51] <jmkasunich> do they have some kind of "general public filter" or do they let in anyone who shows up?
[03:15:57] <cradek> I will now get an amazing amount of junk mail...
[03:16:11] <cradek> well ... you have to make up answers to some questions when you register
[03:16:18] <jmkasunich> heh
[03:16:23] <LawrenceG> cool...Registration is free for visitors working in the manufacturing industry outside the United States
[03:16:26] <cradek> i.e. decide what kind of junk mail you want to get
[03:16:52] <jmkasunich> free for those outside the US, meaning not free for those inside?
[03:17:00] <cradek> $50
[03:17:06] <jmkasunich> oh, cheap
[03:17:13] <jmkasunich> (compared to the airfare and hotel)
[03:17:30] <cradek> you can pay up to $1k or so if you want conferences
[03:17:41] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich just placed a $115 enco order, so my budget is gone for this month anyway ;-)
[03:20:12] <SWPadnos> jmkasunich, just remember - it's true that you specify and approve equipment purchases at your company ;)
[03:20:31] <cradek> true, and I build CNC controls
[03:20:41] <SWPadnos> me too (sort of ;) )
[03:20:45] <jmkasunich> oh, I know how that part works - registering would be no problem
[03:21:12] <jmkasunich> my obstacles are vacation time, airfare, and hotel cost, in that order
[03:21:36] <SWPadnos> hmmm. maybe vacation time, hotel, travel cost
[03:21:42] <jmkasunich> I wish I had known about it sooner - the first I realised was when stuart mentioned something a week or so ago
[03:21:44] <SWPadnos> it is Chicago after all
[03:21:54] <jmkasunich> there are no motel6's in chicago?
[03:22:13] <SWPadnos> um, I don't know if there are any in the areas you might survive
[03:22:15] <cradek> this place is $7x a night, much better than I expected
[03:22:16] <jmkasunich> how long is the show? any part of it on the weekend
[03:22:24] <SWPadnos> cool
[03:22:29] <SWPadnos> Sept 8-13
[03:22:30] <cradek> no I think it doesn't go into next weekend
[03:22:39] <SWPadnos> Saturday
[03:22:59] <jmkasunich> definitely aimed at the junketing business people
[03:23:05] <cradek> I wouldn't try to go on just the last day...
[03:23:31] <jmkasunich> 2010....
[03:23:34] <SWPadnos> heh
[03:23:49] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich goes back to spindle drawings
[03:24:08] <SWPadnos> only $540 to fly from here ($560 if I want to leave tomorrow) - surprising
[03:25:00] <cradek> for us, one tank of gas each, each way
[03:25:07] <cradek> = dirt cheap
[03:25:29] <SWPadnos> heh, I could do that too - 2 easy days and 100 gallons of gas ;)
[03:25:34] <SWPadnos> each way
[03:25:41] <cradek> ha
[03:25:46] <SWPadnos> well, 2 days each way, 100 gallons total
[03:28:18] <SWPadnos> funny - I've been through Chicago or O'Hare 20-30 times a year for the last 10 years, but I think I haven't actually been *in* Chicago since about 1995
[03:28:24] <jmkasunich> for me its closer than the CNC workshop
[03:28:29] <SWPadnos> me too
[03:28:33] <SWPadnos> +700 miles
[03:28:36] <jmkasunich> cradek: you got all the way from Lincoln on one tank?
[03:29:05] <cradek> 1 + a bit more
[03:29:12] <jmkasunich> jeff's car?
[03:29:14] <cradek> 1.5 I guess
[03:29:15] <cradek> no, mine
[03:29:31] <SWPadnos> "tanks" aren't a great measure of fuel consumption
[03:29:58] <cradek> I get 400 miles highway on a tank (13 gal) and the drive was 520 miles
[03:30:08] <SWPadnos> considering that they're 20 gallons on big cars and 10-15 on small ones :)
[03:30:32] <SWPadnos> that's about the same as we get in the Accord
[03:30:46] <cradek> so like $35 each, one way
[03:30:57] <SWPadnos> I think it has a longer range because of tank size - 17 gallons I think
[03:31:32] <cradek> I'm amazed by this car. it's a rocket but still gets 29-30mpg at 80mph
[03:31:43] <SWPadnos> wow - what kind?
[03:31:53] <cradek> vw gti
[03:31:56] <SWPadnos> ah
[03:32:04] <cradek> the 6 cylinder aka pocket-rocket
[03:32:20] <SWPadnos> I had a Plymouth Horizon 5-speed that got 40-ish at 85 on the highway
[03:32:36] <SWPadnos> and 30 towing a u-haul trailer
[03:32:42] <SWPadnos> (but not at 85 ;) )
[03:32:48] <cradek> haha
[03:33:02] <SWPadnos> that would have been scary and deafening
[03:33:17] <SWPadnos> since my girlfriend at the time would have been screaming so loudly
[03:33:27] <cradek> http://www.ericstoffers.com/transportation/art/1989-Plymouth-Horizon.jpg
[03:33:31] <SWPadnos> so would the cats
[03:33:46] <SWPadnos> heh
[03:33:51] <SWPadnos> close but not so close
[03:33:59] <cradek> you cannot make me believe this car would go 85mph, except maybe in freefall
[03:34:06] <SWPadnos> mine was all red ;) (and a 1990)
[03:34:17] <SWPadnos> it could go about 100
[03:34:32] <SWPadnos> no comment on exceeding that
[03:34:37] <cradek> of course
[03:35:58] <SWPadnos> "1989 - Horizon 2.2 Fuel Inj. L4
[03:36:00] <SWPadnos> Probably the best 95 hp you could spend your money on"
[03:36:26] <cradek> I saw a photo online somewhere that some dumbass took of the dashboard of his VR6 while going 160 mph
[03:36:30] <SWPadnos> same power on the later model, but slightly more aerodynamic, and the gearing was much better for 85MPH travel
[03:36:35] <SWPadnos> heh
[03:36:54] <SWPadnos> I think it was 3krpm == 85
[03:37:04] <SWPadnos> which was <half of redline
[03:37:33] <cradek> sounds the same as mine in 6th gear
[03:37:54] <cradek> it takes a powerful car to be able to do that and still handle hills with the cruise control on - since it can't downshift
[03:38:10] <SWPadnos> cruise control, what's that? ;)
[03:38:21] <cradek> ha
[03:38:55] <SWPadnos> the only power we had was power assist brakes - even steering was just rack and pinion (maybe power assist - it was pretty darned easy to drive)
[03:39:16] <SWPadnos> it would probably still be running if it hadn't been in an accident (which popped the steering wheel airbag)
[03:40:09] <cradek> air bags sure help to total cars.
[03:40:25] <SWPadnos> I drove it to Texas to move my girlfriend (now my wife) - drove to Austin in 2 days, towed the U-Haul up to Wisconsin then over to Vermont, and started the trip at the 96000 mile mark
[03:40:27] <SWPadnos> yes
[03:40:37] <SWPadnos> and people - my mother was injured somewhat from it
[03:41:28] <cradek> yike
[03:41:40] <cradek> I'm a bit scared of them
[03:41:56] <SWPadnos> I'm sure she was better off than if it weren't there
[03:42:03] <SWPadnos> just bruised up a bit
[03:42:07] <cradek> this car has around 13 air bags
[03:42:11] <SWPadnos> heh
[03:42:18] <SWPadnos> they get you from every side
[03:42:28] <SWPadnos> reminds me of a Sci-Fi book I can't remember the name of
[03:42:31] <SWPadnos> or the author
[03:42:33] <cradek> (6 I think)
[03:43:08] <cradek> yeah I recall a story about the safe cars vs the guy who wanted to drive an old car - everyone tried to run into him?
[03:44:13] <SWPadnos> I think that one may be a Heinlein or Asimov short stroy - the main protagonist decides to knock down the top of the empire state building at the end, so they can get rid of that dangerous curve around it
[03:44:49] <SWPadnos> (the old guy got a "ticket" for going too slowly "keep it up to a safe 95 or we'll revoke your license")
[03:45:42] <SWPadnos> the one I'm thinking of has a small group of teenage/college age kids who discover a faster-than-light spaceship in orbit around their planet, and decide to go looking for the fabled "earth"
[03:46:00] <cradek> so much science fiction, it all blurs together
[03:46:24] <SWPadnos> they manage to get to a few colonies (each is weird in some way, since there was no FTL travel to spice up the gene pools), then get to earth
[03:46:27] <SWPadnos> heh
[03:47:06] <SWPadnos> they're looking for the "real earthlings" who built the FTL ships then decided to abandon them
[03:47:32] <SWPadnos> basically they're taking care of the rest of us - the fat dumb and happy folks who don't know they're being kept alive despite themselves
[03:47:44] <SWPadnos> including making cars so safe they can't hurt themselves ;)
[03:47:50] <cradek> huh
[03:48:48] <SWPadnos> kind of a tenuous link, I know ;)
[03:49:45] <SWPadnos> I wish Google or someone had a book title search where you could put in a synopsis like that and find the title
[03:49:55] <SWPadnos> there are several I read as a kid that I'd buy now
[03:49:58] <cradek> ask metafilter works for that
[03:50:20] <SWPadnos> hmmm
[03:50:41] <cradek> so far, it takes humans to summarize the plot of a book
[03:51:28] <SWPadnos> too funny - I just searched for a couple of keywords from one book I remember, and one of the (8) pages is on fenn's site :)
[03:51:52] <SWPadnos> or was at one point
[03:59:53] <KimK> Hi gents. Any news on Mesa 5i22 driver progress? Not sure what the issues were, but I recall hearing it wasn't soup yet. (?)
[04:00:10] <SWPadnos> should work, but I don't think anyone has tested it yet
[04:00:18] <cradek> is 5i22 support coming with the new hm2 driver?
[04:00:30] <SWPadnos> I believe Seb only has the 1MGate version. I need to test the 1.5M card
[04:00:37] <SWPadnos> yes
[04:00:55] <cradek> hm2 doesn't work for servos yet
[04:01:05] <SWPadnos> oh
[04:01:10] <cradek> dac output and encoder index are both missing
[04:01:15] <SWPadnos> didn't know that - I thought it was steppers that had issues
[04:01:17] <cradek> there might be more
[04:01:28] <SWPadnos> ok
[04:02:12] <cradek> KimK: seb is definitely the one to ask. you could ask on emc-devel
[04:07:20] <KimK> OK, thanks, I will. I like Mesa's "anything connector" backed up by a wide selection of daughter boards. And now I've got a guy with a mill that's down and and needs a retrofit right away. Several other mills and lathes possible too.
[04:07:51] <KimK> Nothing like jumping in with both feet.
[04:08:14] <cradek> I bet you want a 5i20 then, and the old driver
[04:08:30] <cradek> that's what I'm using on my lathe - it's very mature and works great
[04:09:50] <cradek> the extra capacity (and cost) of the 5i22 are not needed for our application (IMO)
[04:10:15] <KimK> Because it's ready now? OK, but I'll have to count needed features, since there's one less ribbon connector. Does Mesa still stock the 5i20?
[04:10:18] <cradek> for a servo machine, we need a few dacs, a few encoders, and the rest is IO
[04:10:26] <SWPadnos> you can buy two 5i20 for the price of 1 5i22
[04:10:42] <SWPadnos> yes
[04:11:02] <cradek> there are three. the driver is set up to use one 4 axis dac/encoder card, and two of the 8out-16in isolated IO boards
[04:11:18] <cradek> if your machine is simple one IO board might be enough
[04:12:20] <cradek> 5i20 is still on their website. I'm sure they stock it.
[04:12:59] <cradek> 5i20 + 7i33 + one or two 7i37
[04:13:07] <SWPadnos> they don't always have stock, but as far as I know they haven't discontinued it
[04:13:35] <cradek> I used the "T" version of the cards that have screw terminals
[04:14:38] <cradek> there is also ppmc which could maybe be considered a bit more turnkey
[04:15:05] <cradek> I like both systems (I chose mesa but also used some pico resolver converter boards)
[04:17:02] <KimK> I'm looking at some machines where I/O is an issue. I'd like to be able to put in a PLC with no CPU, just cages (at two+ locations?) and modules, and operate them from the PC. I've talked to Automation Direct, but I think we just confused each other. I'll try again later.
[04:17:47] <KimK> There out to be a way to do that because of "slave" PLCs.
[04:17:54] <KimK> out = ought
[04:18:20] <SWPadnos> don't slaves normally communicate on proprietary buses, like the backplane
[04:18:22] <SWPadnos> ?
[04:18:32] <SWPadnos> or ethernet or something like that
[04:19:38] <KimK> Yes, "ethernet(?)", maybe modbus(?), something. But all proprietary? Maybe not, we'll see.
[04:20:07] <KimK> Just have to get it talking to the PC somehow.
[04:20:22] <SWPadnos> if I can figure out why I didn't commit it (and correct the problem), I'll commit the modbus library and Automation Direct GS2 VFD module I wrote
[04:21:43] <KimK> Great, everything helps. (And no jokes about commitment issues.)
[04:21:51] <SWPadnos> heh
[04:25:26] <KimK> Also, for more I/O, I learned Mesa can use a ribbon to go to an SPI splitter (6-way), and then to 6 of their 16-in x 8-out cards. So that would be 96-in x 48-out from one ribbon, if I understood correctly.
[04:26:44] <SWPadnos> I know the hardware exists. I don't know the status of driver support for that hardware
[04:27:04] <SWPadnos> that's only in the hostmot2 driver, which is the same experimental one that supports the 5i22
[04:28:52] <KimK> Oh, OK, so SPI x 6 takes us back to the vaporware problem? I'd still prefer the PLC solution for I/O though, if I can achieve it. Those I/O modules are just so darn convenient.
[04:29:31] <SWPadnos> I think you'll find the mesa stuff nearly as convenient
[04:29:43] <SWPadnos> the connectors are designed for standard 24-module I/O racks
[04:29:53] <SWPadnos> the Opto-22 racks
[04:32:45] <SWPadnos> ok, bedtime. night guys
[04:32:52] <jmkasunich> goodnight
[04:33:08] <KimK> Opto-22's are good, but it's tough to beat the I/O density of a PLC rack. PCB's take up a lot of "flat" space, you need to get some right angle panels going, or something. Thanks for your advice, SWP. Goodnight.
[04:39:48] <KimK> cradek: on your resolver conversion and the pico systems resolver boards, what was the original resolver drive frequency, 2.5KHz? I noticed pico's ran from 10-20 KHz. I presume it worked out OK with the higher drive frequency?
[05:06:59] <KimK> Oops, my mistake. For the record, the 7i46 (SPI x 6) goes to 7i64's which is a 24-in x 24-out card. So that would be 144-in and 144-out from one ribbon.
[06:18:34] <alex_jon1> alex_jon1 is now known as alex_joni
[12:24:40] <cradek> stfw! </jepler>
[12:25:54] <alex_joni> lol
[12:25:58] <alex_joni> giyf :P
[12:26:04] <alex_joni> that's more politically correct
[12:26:23] <cradek> his answer was perfect. he's good at that.
[12:26:30] <cradek> hi alex.
[12:26:34] <alex_joni> hi chris
[12:27:04] <cradek> I'm in chicago for IMTS which starts in 1.5 hr
[12:27:16] <cradek> in the motel in the room where you get "breakfast"
[12:27:32] <cradek> ... wondering where Stuart is
[12:34:33] <alex_joni> sounds good .. have fun
[18:33:02] <jepler> * jepler grumbles at lyx
[18:33:15] <jepler> somebody pick a new system to use for writing our documentation, I am tired of this one
[18:33:48] <BigJohnT> hmmm
[18:34:30] <CIA-29> EMC: 03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/ (l2h.xsl lyxtree.py): send ERTs to the bit bucket when making html documentation
[18:37:09] <CIA-29> EMC: 03jepler 07v2_2_branch * 10emc2/docs/src/ (l2h.xsl lyxtree.py): from TRUNK: send ERTs to the bit bucket
[18:43:31] <jepler> BigJohnT: does that address the issue or are there problems remaining?
[18:43:57] <BigJohnT> let me try it out jepler but that should do it
[18:51:57] <micges> I finished polish translation of AXIS and I have few questions
[18:52:20] <micges> what is exactly mean (desire) of : flood , mist lube ?
[18:52:42] <BigJohnT> flood and mist coolant
[18:52:59] <BigJohnT> flood is a stream of coolant
[18:53:05] <BigJohnT> mist is a fine spray
[18:53:27] <SWPadnos> generally, flood is used to cool and clear chips away (carry them off - it's a high flow stream)
[18:53:40] <SWPadnos> mist is usually for lube or some cooling
[18:53:59] <micges> ok and what is lube and lube level ?
[18:54:30] <SWPadnos> the lube level input is there so you can have a sensor in the coolant tank, and EMC will be able to tell when you're running low/out
[18:54:39] <SWPadnos> the lube output is for powered way lube, I think
[18:54:53] <SWPadnos> ie, auto lubrication of the machine itself, not the workpiece
[18:54:54] <micges> ok
[18:55:14] <SWPadnos> check the manual (or source) on that though, I'm not positive that's what it's for
[18:55:18] <BigJohnT> jepler: that removed the offending text from the html but the title is still "\usebox{\titleadd} :(
[18:55:34] <jepler> BigJohnT: oh, hm
[18:56:25] <BigJohnT> that is the ERT in the document_header.lyx
[18:58:04] <jepler> what *should* the page's title be?
[18:58:31] <BigJohnT> "Getting Started"
[18:58:58] <jepler> OK, well, there's no way you're getting that title in the HTML documentation since it comes from inside an ERT
[18:59:25] <jepler> For all the other documents, I made html from the files themselves, not from the files that include them
[18:59:45] <jepler> seems like doing that would fix this problem too
[18:59:47] <BigJohnT> yep I think that I screwed that up
[18:59:58] <jepler> maybe that's the way to fix it then
[19:00:07] <BigJohnT> the master should not have been the html
[19:00:54] <jepler> the good news is that can be fixed at any time
[19:01:09] <BigJohnT> :)
[19:01:25] <jepler> and not passing ERTs into the output (usually; the ERT inside the title got past my xsl rule) is a good change too
[19:05:59] <micges> where I can send *.po file ?
[19:06:13] <jepler> micges: e-mail it to me
[19:06:22] <jepler> note whether it's for 2.2 or TRUNK
[19:11:39] <jepler> ercroup
[19:14:24] <micges> I don't fully understand difference between axis and joint
[19:15:27] <micges> so I didn't translate "joint" for now
[19:16:42] <jepler> an axis is the set of cartesian and rotary values that gcode programs are written in: XYZ UVW ABC
[19:17:04] <jepler> for many machines, there is a direct correspondence between one axis and one movable part of the machine
[19:17:25] <micges> like table mill ?
[19:17:27] <jepler> yes
[19:17:40] <micges> ok this is clear
[19:17:42] <jepler> for other types of machines, like scara, puma, hexapod, there is not a direct correspondance between an axis and a moving part
[19:17:43] <micges> joint ?
[19:18:07] <jepler> on these machines, the moving parts are the joints (like the elbow, shoulder and wrist of a human are joints)
[19:18:55] <micges> so moving one axis cause move 3 joint for example ?
[19:19:05] <jepler> yes
[19:20:00] <micges> so trivins are mapping axis<-> joints (or simmilar) ?
[19:20:18] <jepler> yes, in trivkins the axis value goes directly to a joint value
[19:20:47] <jepler> in other kinematics, the axis values go together into complicated mathematics, and come out as the proper joint values for that position
[19:22:55] <micges> joint_axes branch in cvs is to remove mapping from source code ?
[19:23:27] <jepler> no, it is to better clarify the separation
[19:23:46] <jepler> for instance, there is no [JOINTS_#] section in the inifile; items that actually describe the joint are incorrectly grouped with items that describe the axis
[19:26:47] <micges> I see
[19:43:21] <micges> jepler: what is hal refactor ?
[19:43:34] <jepler> micges: old branch, no longer of interest as far as I know
[19:47:13] <jepler> it's 3 1/2 years old
[19:47:42] <jepler> (branches are never destroyed, even when they are no longer going to be developed)
[19:48:12] <micges> there was some comments in source about this so I asked
[20:28:31] <alex_joni> micges: at some point jmkasunich talked about recoding HAL
[20:28:47] <alex_joni> there are some aspects which aren't optimal, but they can't be "fixed" without a majour redesign
[20:34:32] <micges> alex_joni: some details ?
[20:40:47] <CIA-29> EMC: 03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/po/pl_axis.po: new translation from MichaƂ Geszkiewicz
[20:41:27] <alex_joni> micges: for instance that you can't add another instance of an already loaded component
[20:41:47] <alex_joni> say you need another and2.. you need to unload the and2 component, and reload it with a higher count
[20:42:05] <alex_joni> or that you can't create threads from halcmd only.. you need a component to create threads
[20:42:16] <alex_joni> and a couple of other similar show-stoppers :)
[20:45:36] <micges> or can't create thread of ANY freq
[20:48:54] <alex_joni> well.. that's a problem of RTAI, not HAL
[21:08:33] <micges> good night all
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