#emc-devel | Logs for 2008-07-02

[01:13:18] <LawrenceG> tfmacz, Ted.... ur skype is off???
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[19:01:47] <SWPadnos> hmmm - has anyone else seen this? http://minibuntu.crealabs.it/
[19:02:49] <jepler> I looked at it for a little while. If it's the one I am thinking of, it doesn't have X or an "install to hard drive" option.
[19:02:59] <SWPadnos> hmmm
[19:03:19] <SWPadnos> they may intend it as a base on which to create a customized distro, using the two tools they linked
[19:03:33] <SWPadnos> http://uck.sourceforge.net/ http://reconstructor.aperantis.com/
[19:09:33] <jepler> debian live cd = 125 megs; no idea about installer, doubt it has X. http://live.debian.net/cdimage/daily-builds/current/i386/
[19:10:08] <SWPadnos> right - minibuntu is probably the one you described
[19:10:11] <jepler> (how has it come to this: that a base system without X is now ten times bigger than a whole linux system with X was in 1995?)
[19:10:16] <SWPadnos> heh
[19:10:31] <jepler> "oh my god -- I have to download *5* floppy images just to get the base system, gcc, and X?"
[19:10:48] <SWPadnos> and sqrt(driver list)
[19:12:10] <cradek> jepler: nah, the base was about 5, and X was 5 more.
[19:12:26] <cradek> you're underxaggerating
[19:14:21] <cradek> I guess the first linux I installed from floppies was slackware 1.1.0: http://www.jeepster.org.uk/history.html
[19:14:32] <SWPadnos> the eee is not a speed demon
[19:15:31] <cradek> I'm sure I still have the box with the floppies that I carefully kept and did not overwrite since it was such a time investment to download them
[19:15:48] <jepler> cradek: 10 floppies is around 10% of 125 megs
[19:15:59] <SWPadnos> heh, the old days of overnight downloads fora few megabytes
[19:16:17] <jepler> you could install a useful mcc system in 3 floppies, though: boot, root, gcc
[19:16:55] <jepler> and if emc is bigger than 3 floppies, I just don't want to use it.
[19:17:36] <cradek> SWPadnos: it wasn't so bad, I went to campus and claimed about five machines (PS/2 model 30s, iirc) - it was nighttime
[19:18:20] <cradek> I was newly in college (with 'fast' internet access) so this was very memorable
[19:19:23] <SWPadnos> heh
[19:20:24] <cradek> I guess it was '93 but that wasn't my first linux system...
[19:20:28] <jepler> XF86 21 SVGA,cfg,fnt,fntscl,slib all fit on a little more than one floppy -- 1730956 for all those tar.gzs. And you could get by just fine without fntscl.
[19:20:48] <jepler> (not sure which of these tars would contain xterm or other basic programs, though)
[19:21:00] <cradek> http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/01188356148/yggdrasil-beta.jpg
[19:21:07] <cradek> ^ I think this was my first system
[19:21:08] <jepler> adding inc, lib, doc will fill X out to 2 floppies, no question.
[19:21:21] <cradek> (it's the CD I recently found)
[19:21:35] <cradek> jepler: heh, doc
[19:21:51] <jepler> XFree86 is installed in /usr/X386. It requires about 4mb of virtual
[19:21:51] <jepler> memory to run, although having 8mb of RAM is probably the minimum comfortable
[19:21:51] <jepler> configuration. A 387 coprocessor is helpful for 386 machines, although
[19:21:51] <jepler> greater gains in interactive performance are obtained with an increase in
[19:21:51] <jepler> physical memory. Also, a faster graphics card, bus or RAM, will improve
[19:21:53] <jepler> server performance.
[19:22:23] <cradek> 'ok you have X, but it's gonna suck. sorry.'
[19:22:46] <jepler> 4 - Compiling XFree86
[19:22:53] <jepler> The distribution is very large, but it is possible to compile
[19:22:53] <jepler> XFree86 on a single 64mb partition
[19:22:59] <jepler> (presumably he means MB)
[19:23:48] <cradek> looks like the yggdrasil install I did recently took an amazing 84 MB
[19:24:20] <jepler> hm xterm was in the XF86-2.1-bin.tar.gz file but that's not in this archive..
[19:24:39] <jepler> huge program: -rwsr-xr-x root/system 119812 Mar 9 22:57 1994 bin/xterm
[19:24:49] <cradek> jeez
[19:28:05] <cradek> ahh, setuid xterm (which would log to a file...)
[19:49:03] <SWPadnos> hey jepler, have you had a problem getting the eee to wake up after closing the lid?
[19:49:32] <SWPadnos> I'm having that problem with Steve's unit, though I'm not sure if I've tried it with both eeebuntu and the stock distro
[20:23:03] <jepler> SWPadnos: mine doesn't wake when reopened, I have to press the power button. But it does wake reliably. I have the original OS installed.
[20:23:29] <SWPadnos> ok, so a single tap on the power button, and some time later it comes on?
[20:23:40] <SWPadnos> (from some sleep mode, not after powering off)
[20:23:49] <jepler> yes, I think so
[20:24:06] <SWPadnos> ok, maybe I just haven't been patient enough
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[23:17:03] <jepler> wow did I write that? that is intensely misguided!