#emc-devel | Logs for 2008-06-13

[01:26:56] <rayh> I made it to Roland's and just started setting stuff up.
[01:27:25] <rayh> How much table do we need for the developer area.
[01:27:30] <SWPadnos> 100'
[01:27:34] <SWPadnos> :)
[01:29:37] <rayh> Okay.
[01:30:11] <rayh> Right now I've got a U with six feet between .
[01:30:13] <SWPadnos> I think we had 5 long tables last year, in a U shape
[01:30:20] <SWPadnos> ok, sounds about the same
[01:30:46] <SWPadnos> that was in addition to Aram at another table, JonE at another, and I think another table closer to the other section of the building
[01:31:04] <SWPadnos> oh, and SteveS at another table by the overhead door
[01:31:37] <SWPadnos> are your classes going to be in the main building?
[01:34:36] <SWPadnos> how's the weather out there?
[01:38:09] <rayh> I think I can put 18' on each side of the U for 42' total
[01:38:09] <rayh> but some gets lost in the corners.
[01:38:45] <SWPadnos> which way does the U face?
[01:39:22] <SWPadnos> we had tables parallel to the "front" wall for the two sides, and one across the wall facing the school building for the base of the U
[01:39:33] <SWPadnos> so it opened out toward the Mazak
[01:40:05] <SWPadnos> maybe an E would be better this time - two U's next to each other, the middle section "double-wide"
[01:40:40] <jmkasunich> I doubt that would fit, unless the shear has been moved
[01:41:04] <SWPadnos> well, if 18' U sides would work, something has to have moved
[01:41:26] <SWPadnos> unless those were 9' tables last year ;)
[01:41:41] <jmkasunich> I can believe that
[01:41:41] <cradek> hi ray!
[01:42:06] <SWPadnos> I think they were 8', so 2 of those + 1 across would be around 18'
[01:42:51] <cradek> I will have both my little machines. I will probably like to have 6' for my stuff, if that helps
[01:42:59] <cradek> we'll also need 6' for SWPadnos's food
[01:43:03] <SWPadnos> heh
[01:43:07] <jmkasunich> heh
[01:43:09] <SWPadnos> then there are the computers
[01:43:21] <jmkasunich> this year I think I'm just bringing one computer
[01:43:26] <SWPadnos> I think I'm bringing less of those though
[01:43:47] <cradek> I'm bringing three laptops, two for the two machines and one for me to carry
[01:43:51] <SWPadnos> probably not the big machine - just a laptop, the touchscreen PC, and one other
[01:43:53] <cradek> so I won't have the big monitor this time
[01:44:06] <rayh> It's hot already.
[01:44:18] <SWPadnos> I'll have two via boards with 1280x1024 LCDs for classes though, if they're needed
[01:44:23] <cradek> we should all try to bring a fan. hot doesn't matter if the air is moving
[01:44:29] <jmkasunich> I have a big box fan I was thinking about bringing
[01:44:39] <jmkasunich> 20" or so
[01:44:45] <SWPadnos> better to move the dust around, huh? :)
[01:51:21] <rayh> Roland has plans for other tables for vendors like steve and jon.
[01:51:21] <rayh> I'll also plan some open table space for aram and others like him.
[01:51:22] <rayh> The shear is still there.
[01:51:26] <rayh> I could put a couple of tables along the west wall
[01:51:36] <rayh> The EMC class space is near the opening between the two tin buildings.
[01:51:46] <rayh> I'll make space for you're two via in the lab SWPadnos.
[01:51:50] <rayh> your or something like that.
[01:51:56] <rayh> I saw some box fans out there but don't know if they work.
[01:54:42] <SWPadnos> they'll be "open-frame" - I don't have any sort of cases for them
[01:55:13] <cradek> rayh: are you missing anything yet that we can bring?
[03:28:53] <skunkworks> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/cncworkshop07/DSC_3749.JPG
[03:30:47] <cradek> heh, all of us looking a bit dazed
[03:32:09] <skunkworks> :)
[08:14:34] <CIA-33> EMC: 03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/tcl/tkemc.tcl: apply patch by Dewey Garett: allow the syncDelayTime to be altered by the user (through USER_COMMAND_FILE). this controls the behaviour of the FO slider
[12:34:36] <skunkworks> logger_dev: bookmark
[12:34:36] <skunkworks> Just this once .. here's the log: http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emcdevel/2008-06-13.txt
[12:42:45] <jepler> alex_joni: fwiw, axis uses a hardcoded 1 second as the time to not update an override slider from stat buffer information
[12:47:07] <alex_joni> jepler: I see.. well dewey complained that the dafult is too fast
[12:47:12] <alex_joni> and he overrides it for himself..
[12:47:33] <alex_joni> (I remember it beeing very bad especially on old hardware.. but in the last time I didn't see a bad behaviour)
[13:42:35] <cradek> jepler: I see your apport question expired again.
[13:51:06] <jepler> cradek yeah. :( doesn't exactly make me hopeful about the fate of any bugs I file, but I guess I will file bugs
[14:55:36] <steves_logging> steves_logging is now known as steve_stallings
[14:56:23] <steve_stallings> Hi guys, final mad dash to get ready today. Did we find power transformers OK? Anything else I might offer to bring?
[14:57:17] <jmkasunich> I have one transformer, 2KVA
[14:57:23] <steve_stallings> I anyone sees RayH, please let him know that the tester boards are working and will be with me.
[14:57:34] <steve_stallings> I < If
[14:57:50] <cradek> he's out there already - I think I have a phone number if you want it
[14:57:55] <jmkasunich> he arrived at the workshop last night, and was online briefly then
[14:58:17] <SWPadnos> maybe UPSes are in order this year ;)
[14:58:26] <steve_stallings> I knew he was there. Is this a cell phone, or call Cardinal and chase him down?
[14:58:38] <cradek> I won't have my big monitor so we'll only need half the power as previous years
[14:58:41] <cradek> :-)
[14:58:45] <steve_stallings> Is 2KVA enough?
[14:58:50] <cradek> steve_stallings: sorry I think I only have a cardinal number
[14:58:58] <SWPadnos> ok - I won't have my big computer, so maybe we'll only need 1/4 the power
[14:59:14] <steve_stallings> but... but... the coffee pot!!!
[14:59:17] <jmkasunich> well, we'll have 2KVA more than last year
[14:59:27] <SWPadnos> that's coming -have no fear ;)
[14:59:39] <jmkasunich> maybe more - I think ray might have brought something too
[14:59:39] <steve_stallings> coffee pot == 1KVA
[14:59:59] <jmkasunich> there is some 120 there already - last year we didn't have any transformers
[15:00:33] <steve_stallings> OK, I will try to bring another 2KVA just in case there is a need in a different place, like class area.
[15:07:47] <steve_stallings> Here is a pic of the test boards that I am bringing for Ray's classes. All works, even tiny servo! http://www.pmdx.com/PMDX-112/PPEST_board.jpg
[15:09:36] <cradek> hey that looks neat
[15:10:20] <cradek> it has a servo with parport/software encoder counter?
[15:11:33] <steve_stallings> Yes, PWM in software driving two bits, one for each side of H-bridge. Encoder feeback in software from port bits.
[15:11:36] <SWPadnos> OK - I'm about to hit the road (only 3 hours late this time - woohoo!)
[15:11:48] <SWPadnos> remember to bring parallel cables :)
[15:11:48] <cradek> steve_stallings: neato
[15:11:54] <cradek> SWPadnos: have a safe trip!
[15:12:02] <SWPadnos> thanks. see you tomorrow evening
[15:12:17] <cradek> whee
[15:12:25] <SWPadnos> was there anything I'm supposed to bring?
[15:12:41] <SWPadnos> other than food, computers, food, coffee, food, and some CNC related stuff?
[15:13:04] <cradek> coffee is the thing you bring that's most useful to me personally
[15:13:08] <SWPadnos> heh
[15:13:18] <SWPadnos> not the quick reference cards? you don't use those?
[15:13:32] <cradek> not really. sadly I know gcode pretty well without them.
[15:13:46] <cradek> hey will you have the 6.06 and 8.04 install CDs or iso images?
[15:14:01] <cradek> (I may have to install my systems after I get there)
[15:14:42] <cradek> I can download them tonight. forget it, you're probably packed already.
[15:15:54] <SWPadnos> I have 8.04 and maybe 6.06 on my laptop
[15:16:00] <cradek> great
[15:16:03] <SWPadnos> and the laptop burns quite nicely
[15:16:14] <cradek> great - I won't have a burner this time
[15:16:39] <SWPadnos> I have an extra one or two along - I know there's a SATA one, and I may also have an IDE
[15:16:49] <SWPadnos> oh crap - I hadn't loaded the power supply
[15:16:52] <SWPadnos> hmmm
[15:20:28] <SWPadnos> anyone have a smallish +/-15V supply?
[15:20:54] <SWPadnos> I have a 60-pound behemoth that I don't really want to pack now (since the Jeep is full)
[15:21:06] <cradek> sorry no
[15:24:25] <SWPadnos> oh well. now on to the actual road. see you later
[15:25:42] <skunkworks> cradek: when abouts do you guys get there?
[15:26:09] <cradek> tomorrow, late afternoon or evening
[15:26:23] <skunkworks> ah
[15:31:42] <jmkasunich> damn, I missed swp
[15:31:50] <jmkasunich> I'm pretty sure I have a suitable supply
[15:53:33] <cradek> jmkasunich: do you want some nice rack-mount P3 machines? I have a couple I could bring for you.
[15:55:23] <jmkasunich> heh
[15:55:30] <jmkasunich> thats ok
[15:55:57] <jmkasunich> you have to pass them on to somebody who hasn't had them before
[15:56:13] <cradek> do I have to sell them for less than I paid too?
[15:56:25] <cradek> I recall there being a problem with that requirement
[15:56:37] <jmkasunich> <= is OK
[15:57:10] <jmkasunich> trying to remember what the latency was like on those
[15:57:31] <cradek> probably great unless they have some funny server thingy
[15:57:49] <cradek> (I had a scsi raid server thingy that messed up latency)
[15:57:59] <jmkasunich> I remember running the test last year, but don't remember the result
[16:02:31] <skunkworks> we will be coming down wednesday afternoon.. So if there is anything we may have that you may need - let us know.
[16:03:31] <cradek> thanks we will :-)
[16:04:34] <jepler> I haven't tested the burner in my new laptop but I know it has one and I assume it'll work
[16:04:46] <jepler> I just have to decide whether to bring only two laptops, or to go ahead and bring 3.
[16:12:58] <steve_stallings> I will have an external USB2.0 CD/DVD burner with wall power pack with me so it could be used by whomever.
[16:13:44] <steve_stallings> Assuming Linux can figure out how to run a burner over USB.
[16:14:22] <steve_stallings> I know it works as a reader under Linux on Asus eee PC.
[16:16:27] <jepler> thanks
[16:16:36] <jepler> last year I think we did OK at keeping ahead of the demand for CDs
[16:18:06] <steve_stallings> OK time to run for now. If anyone has last minute ideas of things to bring, email me at stevesng@newsguy.com
[16:18:19] <steve_stallings> I leave very early Saturday morning.
[16:18:35] <steve_stallings> steve_stallings is now known as steves_logging
[16:29:35] <jmkasunich> I'll have a burner
[16:29:52] <jmkasunich> I already have the 6.06 iso, I suppose I should download the 8.04 one
[17:09:13] <jmkasunich> got the 8.04 iso, md5sum checks out
[17:22:58] <jmkasunich> I'm gonna be going to hgr surplus in about an hour
[17:23:23] <jmkasunich> anyone going to fest need anything that is small enough for me to throw in the truck?
[17:23:28] <jmkasunich> hgrinc.com
[17:57:13] <skunkworks> jmkasunich: did you end up getting that 5 axis mill they had?
[17:58:56] <skunkworks> *small
[18:42:33] <jmkasunich> no
[18:42:52] <jmkasunich> the price was way too high, and somebody else bought it long before the price dropped to what I would pay
[18:50:55] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: no scara's either?
[18:50:57] <alex_joni> ;-)
[18:51:38] <jmkasunich> sure, they have scara
[18:51:40] <jmkasunich> s
[18:52:13] <jmkasunich> http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/search-products/product-detail.aspx?id=20-843-228&searchtable=1&sortExpression=wbprice&SortASC=Yes&pageSize=50&currentPageIndex=0
[18:52:28] <jmkasunich> http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/search-products/product-detail.aspx?id=41-104-490&searchtable=1&sortExpression=wbprice&SortASC=Yes&pageSize=50&currentPageIndex=0
[18:55:01] <alex_joni> cool ;)
[18:55:25] <alex_joni> the last one looks nice
[18:55:34] <cradek> I agree
[18:57:17] <jmkasunich> $500 nice?
[18:57:42] <cradek> if I wanted one, I'm sure I'd be willing to pay that
[18:57:45] <alex_joni> I'd judge that in person
[18:57:54] <alex_joni> but I'd say $500 nice ;)
[18:58:03] <jmkasunich> I'm waiting for one that is too cheap to pass up
[18:58:17] <jmkasunich> but since I have so many projects, it would have to be _very_ cheap
[18:58:20] <jmkasunich> like under $100
[18:58:27] <alex_joni> heh
[19:00:27] <jmkasunich> why settle for scara?
[19:00:28] <jmkasunich> http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/search-products/product-detail.aspx?id=90-124-238&searchtable=1&sortExpression=wbprice&SortASC=Yes&pageSize=50&currentPageIndex=0
[19:01:03] <alex_joni> you get a nice heavy cabinet for free :D
[19:01:17] <cradek> it's an extra $100 if you don't take the control
[19:01:25] <jmkasunich> probably means you get the motor drives - so I'd sure take it
[19:01:32] <jmkasunich> most robots use ac servos
[19:02:38] <jmkasunich> well, I'm off
[19:02:43] <alex_joni> see you ;)