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[02:17:35] <a-l-p-h-a_> jmkasunich, you kicking?
[02:17:59] <jmkasunich> kicking my computer at the moment
[02:18:21] <a-l-p-h-a_> jmkasunich, :(
[02:18:52] <a-l-p-h-a_> I know I asked like once every two weeks... but I didn't get an answer last week... this time not the progress, but anything I can load on to my mesa, to play/tinker with step/dir?
[04:20:54] <a-l-p-h-a_> a-l-p-h-a_ is now known as a-l-p-h-a
[14:42:05] <Skullworks-PGA1> Skullworks-PGA1 is now known as Skullworks-PGAB
[16:01:14] <DanielFalck> mshaver: matt, I was just checking the groups.yahoo.com site and decided to join the ah-ha cnc message board
[16:01:39] <mshaver> I think they're out of business
[16:01:50] <DanielFalck> yes
[16:02:09] <DanielFalck> but, I think it's a great case study for open source software
[16:02:15] <mshaver> progress in cheap cnc passed them by
[16:02:33] <mshaver> you mean, why to open source in the first place?
[16:02:47] <DanielFalck> for the customer anyway
[16:03:00] <mshaver> or why to open source after you cease commercial ops
[16:03:12] <DanielFalck> If I had purchased the Ahha stuff in the past, I would be pissed
[16:03:24] <mshaver> yea, i wouldm't really want to depend upon closed source
[16:03:39] <mshaver> i've used it before
[16:04:07] <DanielFalck> I have a Centroid control on my mill right now
[16:04:28] <DanielFalck> I am planning on ripping it out and replacing it sometime
[16:04:47] <DanielFalck> it's a good control, but I don't want to be dependant on it forever
[16:05:32] <mshaver> a guy named Darrell Gehlson runs Machine Master which sells a kit to retrofit BOSS machines
[16:05:50] <DanielFalck> that's right. I wonder what he's going to do now
[16:06:03] <mshaver> Hey, that's the reason I got into this stuff in the first place - I didn't like propretary controls!
[16:06:18] <DanielFalck> same here
[16:06:47] <mshaver> His situation is not serious - he can adapt to almost anything
[16:07:03] <mshaver> his system is really a breakout board!
[16:07:13] <DanielFalck> here's a funny story: way back when I was just getting into pc retrofits, I purchased MaxNC software over the phone.
[16:07:30] <DanielFalck> I paid my $200 via credit card
[16:07:42] <DanielFalck> then they sent me a single floppy disc
[16:07:51] <DanielFalck> I got the disc and there was nothing on it !
[16:08:06] <mshaver> Wow...
[16:08:11] <DanielFalck> I phoned them and it took some time convincing them that they didn't send anything on the floppy
[16:08:28] <DanielFalck> I ended up getting the program and used it for about a month
[16:08:31] <DanielFalck> it was crap
[16:08:57] <mshaver> Ah the good old days, when you could sell even crap for a lot of money...
[16:10:22] <DanielFalck> It might be fun to compile a list of these stories sometime
[16:10:27] <mshaver> I have one about a Seagate ST-251 hard drive that cost about $2500 when you bought it to put in a (I think) Fanuc (reatial at the time - $150)
[16:10:36] <mshaver> retail i mean
[16:10:53] <DanielFalck> yes that sounds like Fanuc
[16:11:13] <mshaver> hey! the apt stuff - cool!
[16:11:19] <DanielFalck> thanks
[16:11:40] <mshaver> I have to get that & check it out
[16:11:48] <mshaver> the vapt thing is nice
[16:11:49] <DanielFalck> there are 2 other guys that are the real programmers, I'm just doing small stuff
[16:12:04] <DanielFalck> we have parked over in #cam
[16:12:28] <DanielFalck> the 2 guys that are the heavy hitters are crotchetyGuy and bytecolor
[16:12:54] <DanielFalck> crotchetyGuy converted apt360 and bytecolor wrote vapt
[16:13:08] <mshaver> their background in apt?
[16:13:20] <DanielFalck> do you want to join #cam and continue conversing there?
[16:13:33] <mshaver> i mean, anyone who does fortran conversions wasn't born in the 90's
[16:13:43] <DanielFalck> they're both cnc programmers
[16:13:46] <mshaver> yep, trying now...
[16:17:24] <todd_> matt i am surprized you are bad mouthing other control's
[16:18:34] <todd_> have you ever run a true comercial cnc control like fanuc,mitts,fagor or any other of the bigger company's
[22:25:42] <jmkasunich__> jmkasunich__ is now known as jmkasunich
[22:58:24] <Skullworks-PGAB> OK I read up on the wiki editing, just 1 thing I didn't see
[22:58:58] <Skullworks-PGAB> How to define a new page, and where will it end up?
[23:00:56] <cradek> Skullworks-PGAB: just change the URL to the page you want and edit that
[23:01:30] <Skullworks-PGAB> I'm not sure I follow
[23:02:13] <cradek> if you go to a wiki URL of a nonexistant page, it lets you create it
[23:02:45] <Skullworks-PGAB> ok - I'll give that a shot
[23:02:49] <cradek> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Skullworks
[23:15:23] <Skullworks-PGAB> OK I must be dense - it appears I have created a page with no content that is also read only.