#emc-devel | Logs for 2007-06-11

[00:11:56] <LawrenceG> someone left the lights on.....
[00:12:15] <a-l-p-h-a> not me.
[00:13:42] <LawrenceG> now what was the M code to turn off the building lights???
[00:37:00] <LawrenceG> "they're Back"
[00:40:55] <a-l-p-h-a> what's the link?
[00:40:57] <a-l-p-h-a> LawrenceG,
[00:53:33] <jtr> a-l-p-h-a: http://linuxcnc.org/compile_farm/festcam.shtml
[01:01:16] <jmkasunich> we went to dinner
[01:16:25] <SWPLinux> SWPLinux is now known as SWPadnos
[01:40:07] <a-l-p-h-a> who's the two bearded guys
[01:41:28] <a-l-p-h-a> it lies... it's not 2006.
[01:41:32] <a-l-p-h-a> it's 2007!
[01:48:44] <cradek> http://pastebin.ca/557656
[02:52:04] <skunkworks> did they swap the 2 mazaks?
[02:56:20] <skunkworks> or is the video reversed?
[02:56:43] <skunkworks> no - the video isn't reversed
[02:56:51] <skunkworks> (monitor is on the right side)
[02:58:30] <skunkworks> and they are back :)
[03:00:20] <jepler> skunkworks: the whole place is reorganized
[03:01:20] <jepler> skunkworks: you won't recognize it when you get here
[03:02:57] <skunkworks> can't wait
[03:04:49] <LawrenceG> ok.... is it Jeff or Chris with the pony tail?
[03:05:20] <jmkasunich> jeff is closer to the camera
[03:05:36] <jmkasunich> I'm closest, but most of the time all you see is the top of my head
[03:06:25] <LawrenceG> good evening gentlemen.... I see you guys are hard at work
[03:08:14] <SWPadnos> hah - good thing LCDs aren't readable from the side!
[03:32:29] <jepler> http://ask.metafilter.com/64463/Help-me-get-my-foot-out-of-my-mouth
[03:33:41] <a-l-p-h-a> you people are still there at the fest
[03:33:51] <a-l-p-h-a> while I've downed 2.5 pints, and am a little drunk.
[03:34:50] <SWPadnos> don't talk to any co-workers then
[03:46:47] <a-l-p-h-a> ????????????????????????????/
[03:52:58] <a-l-p-h-a> who's the guy in the grey shirt??
[03:53:16] <jmkasunich> thats jepler
[03:53:24] <a-l-p-h-a> and the blue shirt?
[03:53:31] <jmkasunich> cradek
[03:53:47] <cradek> ?
[03:53:56] <a-l-p-h-a> oh
[03:57:09] <a-l-p-h-a> oh, they're going!
[03:57:21] <a-l-p-h-a> or atleast looking at the camera.
[04:36:04] <cradek> cradek has changed the topic to: http://linuxcnc.org/compile_farm/festcam.shtml
[05:40:36] <cradek> ha, I get to spy on the lingerers now
[05:41:33] <LawrenceG> yes ... watch out for the cunning lingerers
[05:41:56] <cradek> mostly I see fuzzy heads though
[05:42:23] <LawrenceG> good pix this year
[05:42:49] <LawrenceG> who is lfet there now?
[05:42:57] <cradek> I only see jmk and swp
[05:43:16] <cradek> it's nearly 1am, so I'm sure everyone else is gone
[05:43:40] <LawrenceG> yea... I am 3 hours earlier and ready for bed here
[05:48:49] <alex_joni> morning all
[05:48:55] <cradek> hi alex!
[05:49:01] <alex_joni> still there?
[05:49:18] <cradek> I'm back at my room, but jmk and swp are still working
[05:49:43] <cradek> jepler did CSS today...
[05:49:49] <alex_joni> whoa.. cool :)
[05:50:09] <cradek> only a few fiddly things to work out still (gcode errors in certain cases, etc)
[05:50:25] <alex_joni> I see SWP looking very deeply in thoughts
[05:51:06] <cradek> yes he's furrowed
[05:51:38] <jmkasunich> I am not
[05:51:44] <jmkasunich> (swp)
[05:51:54] <alex_joni> heh, get your own PC
[05:52:15] <cradek> * cradek grumbles at the wireless
[05:57:05] <alex_joni> is G95 something usual for CSS?
[05:57:32] <alex_joni> because G93,94,96 seems a bit odd for feed stuff
[05:57:35] <alex_joni> with 95 for CSS
[05:58:03] <cradek> I think he found that somewhere
[05:58:12] <cradek> I should look at rs274d in the book
[05:58:21] <cradek> unfortunately some controls use g92 for a lathe feed thing
[05:59:27] <alex_joni> Haas uses G96 for CSS, G97 to turn it off
[06:00:30] <cradek> ok
[06:00:56] <alex_joni> same for Okuma it seems
[06:00:56] <cradek> if there's info missing on that wiki page would you add it?
[06:00:58] <alex_joni> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Lathe_Code
[06:01:01] <cradek> that's good news
[06:01:04] <alex_joni> I found it there
[06:01:07] <alex_joni> ;-)
[06:01:11] <cradek> ah
[06:01:24] <cradek> maybe he misread it or something
[06:01:27] <cradek> easy to change that stuff
[06:03:49] <alex_joni> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-code shows G96/97 for Fanuc too
[06:04:51] <cradek> we are not already using 96 are we?
[06:06:44] <cradek> length per rev is g95, that's good
[06:06:44] <cradek> jepler thought it was g92
[06:07:19] <alex_joni> no, jepler planned to use G96 for FPR
[06:11:20] <alex_joni> I think swapping them will be best
[06:11:30] <alex_joni> wonder if anyone bothers if I do that
[06:11:57] <cradek> I agree it looks like he has them backwards
[06:12:21] <alex_joni> G93,G94,G95 for feed stuff
[06:12:26] <alex_joni> G96,G97 for CSS
[06:12:52] <alex_joni> I guess you didn't talk about axes/joints stuff yet?
[06:13:30] <cradek> what is 93?
[06:13:31] <cradek> no
[06:14:05] <cradek> oh 93 is inverse time - right
[06:14:26] <alex_joni> yup
[06:14:37] <cradek> not one I use often
[06:14:49] <alex_joni> me neither, but that doesn't mean much :D
[06:15:14] <cradek> please do switch them if you want - I think he just made a mistake and got them backward
[06:15:34] <alex_joni> ok, I'll do that now :)
[06:16:43] <cradek> I also dusted off the rigidtap work we did before - it merged into trunk pretty easily. it's not working (moving) yet but all the messages and interp stuff is right
[06:17:00] <cradek> maybe I can make it work tomorrow
[06:17:02] <alex_joni> didn't see a commit yet
[06:17:07] <cradek> nope
[06:17:11] <alex_joni> or you're waiting for it to work first?
[06:17:31] <cradek> waiting for it to not be totally broken :-)
[06:20:16] <cradek> I should probably go to bed...
[06:25:02] <alex_joni> probably, I think I finished swapping them
[06:25:14] <cradek> that was fast
[06:25:34] <cradek> did you see all the new bugs petev did?
[06:25:38] <alex_joni> haha
[06:25:52] <alex_joni> he'll have to fix them if he did them
[06:26:13] <alex_joni> joke aside, seen the reports ;)
[06:26:19] <cradek> many in task I think
[06:26:23] <alex_joni> yup :)
[06:26:29] <cradek> makes me sad
[06:26:40] <cradek> (not really)
[06:26:44] <alex_joni> but you should go to bed, and I shouldn't think about rewriting task
[06:27:28] <cradek> deal
[06:27:49] <alex_joni> at least not right now :)
[06:39:26] <alex_joni> odd things found by petev
[07:10:51] <Unit41> I duno I found this someone might want it
[07:10:52] <Unit41> http://rapidshare.com/files/36456554/Stirling_and_hot_air_engines-LQRS.tar.gz
[12:24:48] <alex_joni> morning samco
[12:31:33] <alex_joni> hmm.. some people in the emc room already
[12:32:52] <jepler> alex_joni: good morning
[12:34:15] <jepler> alex_joni: I've added g-codes for constant surface speed on the TRUNK, but the error handling is not good.
[12:35:01] <jepler> alex_joni: so I was wondering if you'd try to figure out what the errors are -- for instance, switching to CSS but not commanding a spindle speed
[12:35:32] <skunkworks> Good morngin
[12:37:01] <skunkworks> morning
[12:38:50] <jepler> thanks for swapping around the cdoes to match other machines -- the numbers seemed odd to me that I used, but I thought it was what our wiki said.
[12:41:24] <jepler> if I suddenly stop talking, here's why: http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/great-hotel-wireless.png
[12:46:16] <alex_joni> jepler: I'll look at the error handling
[12:46:27] <alex_joni> although I suspect I need to read up on CSS first ;)
[12:46:56] <alex_joni> jepler: re wireless: ouch
[12:53:28] <jepler> alex_joni: someone said it was an error not to have an S-word on the same line as G96/G97 but I'm not sure whether that's right
[12:54:44] <alex_joni> I think that's right
[12:55:00] <alex_joni> because if you have no S-word in your program it won't move at all
[12:55:10] <alex_joni> or cause whatever strange things
[12:55:53] <cradek> good morning
[12:56:02] <jepler> hi chris
[12:56:29] <alex_joni> morning chris
[12:58:19] <cradek> jepler: wonder if it would help to tell the front desk about the wireless
[12:58:52] <alex_joni> * alex_joni sends cradek a proper wireless gizmo
[12:59:11] <cradek> send me some cat5 instead
[12:59:15] <jepler> cradek: it's worth a try but I hate talking to anyone about technical problems
[12:59:30] <jepler> fwiw I think it's gotten better since I went to sit in the chair nearest the door/hall
[12:59:40] <cradek> hmm
[13:00:05] <cradek> my "signal" bar stays high, even when it's not working, so I didn't think to try moving around
[13:00:27] <cradek> well, that and there's only one desklike area
[13:02:16] <alex_joni> jepler: the S-word is spindle speed as you coded it?
[13:02:38] <alex_joni> it seems some other controls use the S word in FPM (feet per minute)
[13:03:39] <steves_logging> steves_logging is now known as steve_stallings
[13:04:24] <jepler> alex_joni: yes, while CSS is enabled the S is in feet (or meters for metric) per minute
[13:04:26] <jepler> alex_joni: the D- number is the max spindle rate to "spin up" to
[13:04:36] <cradek> g'morning steve
[13:04:41] <steve_stallings> Morning guys, any last minute requests for unobtainium to bring to the fest?
[13:05:03] <jepler> steve_stallings: none from me
[13:05:31] <cradek> I don't think I have run into anything I'm missing yet either
[13:05:47] <jepler> alex_joni: I probably forgot to change the "update" methods for the NML message I added fields to...
[13:06:24] <steve_stallings> OK, I will check the IRC window again just before I leave in about an hour.
[13:06:38] <cradek> steve_stallings: thank you, have a safe drive
[13:07:21] <cradek> jepler: we should get a spool of CDs today before we go in
[13:08:33] <jepler> cradek: yes thanks for thinking of it
[13:08:41] <jepler> I wonder where there's an office store .. there's a staples way up north I remember
[13:12:23] <cradek> I better get ready if I'm to make 9:00 (didn't wake up quite so early today)
[13:12:43] <jepler> emc is a tiny little app and it compiles so fast
[13:13:22] <alex_joni> jepler: you were right.. I added the missing update() calls
[13:21:05] <jepler> alex_joni: thanks much
[13:22:07] <alex_joni> no problems, adding the s-requirement now
[13:22:15] <alex_joni> we can later take it out if needed
[13:28:45] <jepler> again, thank you
[13:29:24] <alex_joni> again, no need to thank me.. I'm happy if you share some load
[13:31:10] <jepler> look for us in front of the festcam in about 90 minutes (just a guess)
[13:32:17] <alex_joni> heh
[13:32:22] <alex_joni> group photo?
[13:33:56] <jepler> nah that's just when I think we might start arriving
[13:39:12] <jepler> after breakfast, for which I'm quite hungry
[13:39:27] <jepler> despite all the snacking I did on the stuff swp brought
[13:48:55] <jepler> spindle override. should it apply while CSS is in effect?
[13:50:47] <cradek> I think so
[13:52:59] <jepler> OK -- it doesn't right now
[13:53:16] <cradek> jmk is awake, let's meet on time
[13:53:24] <jepler> if you go abouve 100% should it go above the D- number or stay capped at D?
[13:53:45] <cradek> I think it should stay capped
[13:59:47] <alex_joni> capped would be my bet too
[14:00:58] <alex_joni> bbl
[14:18:11] <steve_stallings> steve_stallings is now known as steves_logging
[15:46:27] <alex_joni> so.. what's everyone working on?
[15:49:56] <jepler> alex_joni: about to commit feed-per-revolution
[15:50:03] <jepler> trying to get started burning CDs
[15:50:30] <alex_joni> cool.. got anything where I can help?
[15:50:59] <alex_joni> otherwise I'll start looking at those bugs petev mentioned
[15:51:26] <jepler> alex_joni: I don't have anything for you
[16:11:25] <skunkworks> Is the guy cradek is talking to the one from italy?
[16:14:58] <cradek> I think that's aramk, but I'm not sure
[16:15:13] <jmkasunich> yes, it is
[16:15:38] <LawrenceG> time to cnc some name badges on the mazak!
[16:16:10] <jmkasunich> that reminds me
[16:16:19] <jmkasunich> I think there are registration packets, which include nametags
[16:16:28] <LawrenceG> 1/2" steel flatbar?
[16:16:28] <jmkasunich> I suppose we should go get them
[17:53:16] <alex_joni> must be painfull for SWPadnos to stay in that position for soo long
[17:53:52] <skunkworks> :)
[17:56:19] <skunkworks> now that we have seen happy hands - lets see angry hands :)
[18:08:53] <skunkworks> alex_joni: next year maybe?
[18:10:57] <alex_joni> skunkworks: I keep hoping :P
[18:11:40] <skunkworks> You have been to the us before - haven't you?
[18:11:52] <alex_joni> nope, not yet
[18:13:30] <skunkworks> what is the farthest you have been from RO
[18:14:32] <alex_joni> probably sweden
[18:14:51] <alex_joni> and south italy/sicily (that was a 2500km drive)
[18:15:13] <alex_joni> skunkworks: I had a frappr map.. but it seems broken: http://www.frappr.com/alextravels
[18:17:03] <skunkworks> that is a neat idea . It does seem to be a bit broken
[18:17:19] <alex_joni> it used to work
[18:18:54] <skunkworks> the tags seem to be there - just not the map.
[18:21:04] <skunkworks> wow - its hopping at the fest now :)
[18:22:49] <jmkasunich> hopefully no more camera dropouts, I modified the script to kill the framegrabber whenever it dies
[18:40:12] <alex_joni> hmm.. there are some bugs by petev I can't duplicate
[19:36:46] <skunkworks> the lathe must be at the end of the table :)
[19:37:09] <alex_joni> skunkworks: going this year?
[19:38:07] <skunkworks> Yes - leaving thursday
[19:38:33] <alex_joni> great
[19:41:22] <skunkworks> I am excited. Nice to get away
[19:41:48] <alex_joni> * alex_joni wants to stay home for a change
[19:41:55] <skunkworks> I bet
[20:18:23] <skunkworks> jeez... that many guys around the table. Machinery porn.
[20:23:09] <alex_joni> haha
[20:23:18] <alex_joni> chris is showing off :P
[20:23:48] <skunkworks> I see that. I wonder if it is more people than last year.
[20:23:55] <skunkworks> so far
[20:24:35] <skunkworks> I remember hearing that the nist lathe was a big hit
[20:41:19] <skunkworks> hey - you guys are not going to get any work done if you keep showing off the lathe.
[20:50:22] <jepler> skunkworks: bah
[20:50:25] <jepler> we're not here to work -- are we?
[20:51:41] <jepler> skunkworks: besides, CSS and feed-per-rev are both already done
[20:53:11] <skunkworks> Nice job.
[20:53:41] <skunkworks> jepler: Is the lathe demoing the part you posting on the axis site?
[20:59:37] <jepler> SWPadnos: http://pastebin.ca/559637
[21:00:01] <jepler> skunkworks: now we are doing a demo that's about 1.3 inches long and has 4 different threads (radius and pitch)
[21:00:17] <jepler> skunkworks: something's not quite perfect with the thread depth and everyone is offering an opinion as to why
[21:01:05] <jepler> SWPadnos: ^^ URL for the script I use to build the kernel package
[21:01:13] <skunkworks> ;) bunch of know it alls
[21:01:16] <jepler> if you've installed the nvidia-source and untarred it in /usr/src/ then it gets built too
[21:16:06] <alex_joni> jepler: noticed that one is missing from your blog
[21:16:56] <alex_joni> http://axis.unpy.net/files/01181319466/go-rtai-smp.sh
[21:17:01] <alex_joni> 404
[21:17:06] <alex_joni> * alex_joni runs to bed
[21:17:08] <alex_joni> good night all
[21:17:33] <skunkworks> Night ales
[21:17:35] <skunkworks> alex
[21:17:48] <jepler> alex_joni: hm oops
[21:17:51] <jepler> alex_joni: see you
[21:20:20] <skunkworks> The guy between jepler and cradek seems tired. He was cought yawning a lot every 60 seconds. ;)
[21:22:28] <alex_joni> can anyone try the stuff petev is reporting?
[21:22:32] <alex_joni> it should be fairly fast..
[21:22:46] <jepler> alex_joni: you were going to bed!
[21:22:55] <jepler> I'll test at least the canned cycle thing
[21:22:56] <alex_joni> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1734309&group_id=6744&atid=106744
[21:23:05] <alex_joni> this intrigued me out of bed :P
[21:24:36] <alex_joni> I'm still not getting any errors
[21:32:55] <alex_joni> jepler: as a sideissue, when reconfiguring --enable-simulator, and recompiling I got this: www.pastebin.ca/559735
[21:33:16] <alex_joni> make clean takes care of it
[21:51:04] <alex_joni> but I still can't get the error petev is describing..
[21:56:36] <jepler> alex_joni: interesting -- I'll see if I can figure out why
[21:57:50] <alex_joni> it's not that important.. just thought I'll mention it
[21:58:11] <jepler> alex_joni: he's testing in tkemc and you're testing in axis. in axis, a file (the splash gcode) has already been opened
[21:58:15] <jepler> I'm guessing here..
[21:58:21] <alex_joni> however, it would be great if you could run sim_servo and see if you get an error on M2 or M30
[21:58:27] <alex_joni> no.. I tried sim_servo with tkemc too
[21:58:41] <jepler> hm forget my theory then
[21:58:43] <alex_joni> I tried directly going to MDI and issuing M30, no error
[21:59:10] <alex_joni> I tried opening a file in AUTO (like pete suggests), then aborting, then switching to MDI and issuing M30, no error
[21:59:31] <alex_joni> that's why I was wondering if any others see the error..
[22:02:13] <jepler> have you had any luck executing MDI commands in estop?
[22:02:28] <alex_joni> didn't try recently
[22:02:31] <alex_joni> but that shouldn't work
[22:02:50] <jepler> if your gcode doesn't do anything (for instance, you're at x0 and issue g0x0) you don't necessarily get an error
[22:03:03] <alex_joni> hmm
[22:04:02] <alex_joni> M30 works in MDI with estop
[22:04:07] <alex_joni> no errors :)
[22:05:10] <alex_joni> ah-ha.. was able to get the error
[22:05:54] <alex_joni> it happens only when I open flowsnake.ngc
[22:06:13] <alex_joni> if I open 3D_Chips.ngc, I don't get the error message
[22:07:56] <alex_joni> the difference is that one of them starts and ends in '%' (and gives the error message)
[22:08:09] <alex_joni> the other one ends in 'M2' and doesn't give the message
[22:10:42] <alex_joni> at least I know what to look for tomorrow :)
[22:10:45] <alex_joni> good night all
[22:12:59] <jepler> goodnight again
[23:06:52] <jepler> http://www.geekologie.com/2007/06/11/russian-windows-atm.jpg
[23:35:54] <skunkworks> cradek: how is it going so far?
[23:36:11] <cradek> excellent
[23:36:42] <skunkworks> Good - looks like a little lul in the traffic
[23:37:07] <cradek> I think people are leaving for the night - it's getting a little late (for daytime people)
[23:37:30] <skunkworks> yah :)
[23:41:50] <cradek> maybe we'll get something accomplished soon :-)
[23:42:37] <skunkworks> sounds like you guys have done a bunch :)
[23:42:45] <cradek> well jeff has
[23:43:08] <cradek> I cut lots of threads - about an equal number are too big and too small, so they even out
[23:45:14] <skunkworks> cradek: explain..
[23:45:33] <cradek> it's hard to get a pitch diameter that's exactly right...
[23:46:04] <skunkworks> ah - so you mean - you need more experience cutting treads ;0
[23:46:18] <cradek> or setting tool offsets
[23:46:46] <skunkworks> I have only cut threads on a cnc once.
[23:47:23] <skunkworks> and that was an old cincinati malicron(sp)
[23:49:20] <skunkworks> lots of manual treading.. A pain.
[23:50:50] <cradek> yep, I'm very glad to not do that anymore
[23:54:48] <tomp> hope you guys are ok, it was 97 here outside Chicago, getting pretty smeggy.
[23:55:04] <cradek> the weather is perfect
[23:55:11] <cradek> 82 maybe?
[23:55:20] <cradek> very pleasant
[23:55:51] <tomp> goodo
[23:55:56] <jmkasunich> except for the flies