#emc-devel | Logs for 2007-05-30

[04:18:59] <FrankH> Hello. Is there anyone out there that can help me with building EMC for Feisty Fawn?
[04:19:29] <jmkasunich> the first step is building a realtime kernel for Feisty
[04:20:13] <FrankH> Is there a website with instructions on how to do that?
[04:20:35] <jmkasunich> building a RT kernel is a royal pain in the rear, which is one of the reasons we've not tried to keep up with the latest ubuntu - dapper is a "long term support" version of ubuntu
[04:21:09] <jmkasunich> as for instructions... have you built a stock kernel before?
[04:22:18] <jmkasunich> if you don't have one or two regular kernel builds under your belt, you don't want to tackle a RT patched one
[04:22:40] <jmkasunich> I've never done a RT kernel, those who have say it took many tries to get it right
[04:22:49] <FrankH> Which kernel is EMC running on?
[04:23:18] <jmkasunich> we have a realtime patched version of the Dapper kernel
[04:23:31] <jmkasunich> (and the Breezy one, but not many folks are using that anymore)
[04:23:46] <jmkasunich> the dapper one is '2.5.16-magma'
[04:24:43] <FrankH> I do have programming experience with Java, but nothing with C++.
[04:25:18] <jmkasunich> neither of those has much to do with building kernels
[04:26:14] <FrankH> OK. I guess that is because the kernel is written mostly in C and assembly?
[04:26:38] <jmkasunich> I'm not sure what time it is where you are... the two guys who built our RT kernels are alex_joni (in Romania, will probalby pop in here in 4-6 hours from now) and cradek in midwest USA (probably asleep now, try in 8-12 hours)
[04:27:36] <jmkasunich> in the meantime, you might want to google "building linux kernel" or similar
[04:27:43] <jmkasunich> for much better descriptions than I can give you
[04:29:06] <FrankH> OK, thanks. Would it be easier to re-install EMC/Ubuntu LTS and trying to upgrade GIMP, OO.org, etc. to versions that I use in Feisty?
[04:29:58] <jmkasunich> I really don't know - I'm happily puttering along with dapper, and have no intention to upgrade, so I haven't investigated that
[04:30:08] <jmkasunich> dapper = LTS
[04:31:03] <jmkasunich> I don't know if our dapper kernel will work on a feisty system or not
[04:31:35] <jmkasunich> I used a 2.6.20 kernel on a dapper system with no apparent issues (this wasn't a realtime system, just an ordinary computer)
[04:31:57] <FrankH> Yeah, I haven't used Dapper for about a year. I guess that I am a bit of an early adopter :).
[04:32:14] <jmkasunich> I'd recommend not doing anything drastic until you talk to either alex_joni or cradek (or post to the users mailing list)
[04:32:37] <jmkasunich> it might be possible to use the RT patched dapper kernel under fiesty but I'm the wrong person to ask
[04:33:07] <FrankH> Thanks for your help. I'm new to this channel, what do you all usually discuss?
[04:33:21] <jmkasunich> whatever comes up ;-)
[04:33:52] <jmkasunich> this is the developers channel, so sometimes its pretty quiet, other times a long discussion on some technical issue
[04:34:19] <jmkasunich> there is also the user channel #emc, that has a wider range of topics
[04:34:37] <jmkasunich> most of the folks who listen/lurk in this channel are in #emc as well
[04:35:56] <FrankH> Got it. Thanks.
[04:36:47] <FrankH> Where are you located, jm?
[04:36:52] <jmkasunich> ohio
[04:37:10] <FrankH> Where in OH? SC here.
[04:37:29] <jmkasunich> eastern suburbs of cleveland
[04:37:54] <FrankH> I grew up in MI near Traverse CIty.
[11:40:37] <cradek_> cradek_ is now known as cradek
[12:53:17] <jepler> grumble, Alfred Smart wants to know if I've fixed his bug yet
[12:53:23] <jepler> (in private e-mail)
[13:08:46] <cradek> who?
[13:11:40] <cradek> oh, I see he asked me about stuff in private email too
[13:11:49] <cradek> (one answer led to many more questions)
[13:13:46] <skunkworks> I can email you guys directly? I didn't know that. ;)
[13:16:51] <cradek> well it hasn't been shown to work yet
[13:16:58] <SWPadnos> cradek@don'temailmedirectly.com
[13:18:15] <cradek> I don't mind email, but I don't like when people think they deserve individualized help, and they don't care if anyone else benefits from it (and especially if they think I'm a substitute for reading the wiki)
[13:18:48] <SWPadnos> well, have you guys fixed his problem yet? huh? :)
[13:19:08] <cradek> I'm not sure we've had a bug report
[13:19:37] <SWPadnos> yeah - I don';t know if I ever understood what his issue was
[13:23:36] <cradek> we should make a wiki page with our best (and maybe worst) bug reports
[13:24:33] <SWPadnos> hmmm. I sense a page like this coming on: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Nihilism
[13:25:09] <cradek> funny
[13:25:23] <cradek> but I'm actually serious
[13:25:33] <cradek> I have a 'favorite' in mind (but I'd have to look for it)
[13:25:40] <SWPadnos> more of a "please do things this way" page
[13:25:55] <SWPadnos> "and not this way"
[13:25:57] <cradek> right
[13:26:17] <cradek> people may really not understand what they can do to help get their bug fixed
[13:26:33] <cradek> I bet how a bug is reported is the best indicator of fix time
[13:27:00] <SWPadnos> I suspect that lack of searching for the answer is also relaetd
[13:27:21] <SWPadnos> ie, people get fast answers when the problem is known/fixed, and they haven't bothered to look for the answer
[13:27:26] <cradek> I was thinking just of actual bugs - but for things that aren't bugs, I bet you're right
[13:31:25] <skunkworks> umm.. That page comes up blank in IE
[13:31:33] <skunkworks> Or am I not getting the joke
[13:31:38] <SWPadnos> I guess not :)
[13:31:51] <SWPadnos> look up nihilism in a real encyclopedia ;)
[13:32:07] <SWPadnos> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/UnNews:Satan_arrested_in_Jerry_Falwell_death
[13:33:22] <skunkworks> Ah ha. now it makes sense.
[13:34:12] <skunkworks> I initially thought it had something to do with the knights that say NI
[13:34:17] <SWPadnos> heh
[23:49:29] <cradek> jmkasunich: we're busy lately - must be near fest time