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[01:28:12] <cradek> does everyone think the tree is ready for 2.1.1? maybe I could still do it tonight
[01:30:09] <jepler> I don't know of anything broken, but that's not a ringing endorsement
[01:30:36] <cradek> that's how I feel too
[01:30:51] <cradek> I watched each of the patches as they went in...
[01:36:21] <jepler> I didn't even do that much
[01:36:26] <jepler> I made some of the patches, though
[01:36:33] <jepler> you decide not to do the change to g76, right?
[01:37:09] <cradek> on the contrary, it's in there
[01:37:15] <jepler> oh!
[01:37:24] <jepler> shows how much attention I've been paying
[01:37:37] <cradek> (I couldn't figure out if "yes" or "no" would express what I meant)
[01:39:47] <jepler> that's why proper languages have a word just for an unambiguous response to a negatively-phrased question
[01:41:10] <cradek> other than "could you rephrase that?"
[01:41:13] <jepler> yes
[01:41:28] <jmkasunich> hi guys
[01:41:29] <jepler> hi jmk
[01:41:42] <cradek> if those other proper languages have gendered nouns, it's surely not worth it
[01:41:51] <jepler> no, maybe not
[01:41:57] <cradek> hi jmk
[01:42:01] <cradek> how do you feel about 2.1.1 tonight
[01:42:02] <jepler> but we could take the cue from them and find a short way to say "on the contrary"
[01:42:11] <jmkasunich> I don
[01:42:15] <cradek> jepler: I don't disagree
[01:42:21] <jmkasunich> I don't know of any reason not to do a release
[01:42:38] <jepler> maybe it's already available: "yuh-huh" or "is too"
[01:42:49] <jmkasunich> but I can't do anything to help, and I won't be heartbroken if it happens later in the week or next weekend
[01:42:50] <cradek> I prefer yuh-huh
[01:43:41] <jepler> do you use a mousepad with your optical mouse?
[01:43:54] <cradek> as opposed to nuh-uhh
[01:44:08] <cradek> yes but only to save my (real) wood desk
[01:44:12] <jepler> I've given up mouse pads, but here at ingrid's folks' house they stubbornly put the (husker red football-shaped) mousepad back every time I move it out of the way
[01:44:22] <jepler> particle board with wood grain veneer
[01:44:26] <cradek> at work with a fake desk, I don't
[01:45:15] <cradek> it's sure true they work fine without a pad
[01:45:23] <jmkasunich> I have to do milling tonight :-(
[01:45:28] <jmkasunich> (garage milling)
[01:46:16] <cradek> is your mill together enough for that?
[01:46:23] <jmkasunich> the one in the garage is
[01:46:33] <jmkasunich> (the Van Norman)
[01:46:49] <jmkasunich> I have to square up a 3"x4"x1/2" thick steel plate
[01:46:54] <cradek> oh, real work
[01:47:08] <jmkasunich> the VN will breeze thru that, the shoptask would grumble even if it was back together
[01:47:17] <jmkasunich> (the lathe part is in working order, but I haven
[01:47:27] <jmkasunich> haven't put the 100lb+ millhead back on yet
[01:51:35] <cradek> build build build build build
[01:51:47] <jmkasunich> ?
[01:51:58] <jmkasunich> what are you building?
[01:51:58] <cradek> I'm making the many 2.1.1 packages
[01:52:02] <jmkasunich> oh
[01:52:12] <jmkasunich> decided to go for it, eh?
[01:52:18] <cradek> yeah why not
[01:52:22] <jmkasunich> thanks
[01:52:35] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich is making house parts
[01:52:54] <cradek> I hesitate to say the housework I spent today on
[01:53:05] <jmkasunich> come on, fess up
[01:53:12] <cradek> I made curtains
[01:53:21] <cradek> I'm too cheap to buy them
[01:53:24] <jmkasunich> heh
[01:53:34] <cradek> appropriate fabric is $3/yard
[01:54:10] <jmkasunich> jack ensor is back
[01:54:24] <cradek> they're crazy expensive, and it's hard to find any that aren't all frilly or flowery
[01:55:03] <jmkasunich> my wife just got plain-ish tab-top ones for the family room
[01:55:08] <jmkasunich> dunno what they cost
[01:55:56] <cradek> I hate doing that kind of stuff, but I must hate paying for it more
[01:56:34] <jmkasunich> I have a sliding scale - the more I hate it, the less I let paying for it
[01:56:47] <jmkasunich> the less I _hate_ paying for it
[01:57:09] <cradek> the basement windows require twelve curtains, which would probably have been $hundreds
[01:57:21] <jmkasunich> for instance I don't have the temperment (or skills, or tools) to do finish carpentry
[01:57:33] <jmkasunich> so we're having a guy do the railings around our stairwell
[01:58:07] <jmkasunich> but we need to be able to remove the short piece at the head of the stairs (to move furniture, etc)
[01:58:33] <jmkasunich> so I'm making a steel plate thing that will hold that newel post rigidly and still make it removable
[01:58:46] <cradek> cool
[01:58:52] <cradek> that sounds like more fun
[02:00:12] <jmkasunich> except the garage milling part
[02:00:12] <jmkasunich> hence the procrastination
[02:00:12] <cradek> too cold for that
[02:00:12] <jmkasunich> also, I'd rather be working on the 5i20 driver
[02:00:12] <jmkasunich> actually, the timing is good - got up to 40F today
[02:00:12] <cradek> but that was 5 hours ago :-)
[02:00:17] <cradek> your timing is not so good
[02:00:18] <jmkasunich> the mill has a thermal time constant of two days anyway
[02:00:25] <cradek> ha
[02:01:21] <jmkasunich> ok, enough procrastinating...
[02:01:26] <jmkasunich> to the mill!
[02:01:28] <cradek> good luck
[03:03:59] <cradek> EMC 2.1.1 is released
[03:08:06] <jmkasunich> milling done
[03:08:40] <cradek> yay for both of us
[03:40:01] <jmkasunich> project done
[03:57:43] <jmkasunich> now where was I?