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[03:37:01] <cradek> yay, I think the threading cycle is finally done
[03:37:37] <SWPadnos> !!
[03:57:39] <steve_stallings> steve_stallings is now known as steves_logging
[14:08:30] <jepler> should we try to do a 2.1.1 this weekend?
[14:08:38] <jepler> there is a lot of stuff in the branch
[14:08:43] <alex_joni> we could
[14:08:52] <alex_joni> I have this weekend kinda freeish
[14:35:49] <cradek> I was wondering that too
[19:33:32] <jepler> sourceforge postpones the return of one of their servers by another few days
[19:33:57] <jepler> 2007-02-12: The shell server was taken offline for unscheduled maintenance. Due to a need to replace the old hardware and some unforeseen problems in getting the new hardware setup, we estimate that the shell service may not return until the 23rd of February. We apologize for the inconvenience.
[19:34:29] <jmkasunich> they also shut down their compile farm service (permanently) a little while back
[19:34:35] <jepler> I missed that
[19:36:20] <jmkasunich> https://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=665363
[19:36:24] <jepler> someday they'll go down and never come back up
[19:49:33] <cradek> I hope all the projects have their source archived somewhere else in preparation for that day
[19:50:19] <jmkasunich> or there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth
[19:50:39] <cradek> yes
[19:50:59] <cradek> all the projects will have current checkouts, but I bet most would lose their history
[19:51:32] <cradek> losing our bug database and mailing lists would be bad enough, but we'd recover shortly
[19:51:53] <jmkasunich> I wonder if we should have a contingency plan
[19:51:59] <jepler> luckily we have hardly any bugs
[19:52:07] <jmkasunich> at a minumum, get copies of the list subscribers and the archives
[19:52:43] <cradek> maybe the contingency plan is to figure out what to do, then put a note on linuxcnc
[19:52:57] <cradek> but yeah, keeping the subscriber lists would be smart
[19:52:59] <jmkasunich> "what to do" may change over time
[19:53:03] <cradek> right
[19:53:10] <cradek> that's what I mean (do that when it happens)
[19:53:20] <jmkasunich> but lost archives will be lost unless they are captured _before_ SF goes away
[19:53:44] <cradek> oh I thought you were talking about subscriber lists
[19:53:52] <jmkasunich> I was talking about both
[19:53:57] <cradek> I bet many people have the mails archived...
[19:54:02] <jmkasunich> data of any form...
[20:05:16] <jmkasunich> this is new:
[20:05:17] <jmkasunich> jmkasunich@ke-main-1006:~/emcdev/emc2head$ ./build
[20:05:17] <jmkasunich> depend.sh: line 7: depends/hal/utils/m5i20cfg.d.tmp.1: Permission denied
[20:05:17] <jmkasunich> mv: overwrite `depends/hal/utils/m5i20cfg.d', overriding mode 0644? n
[20:07:20] <jmkasunich> rm'ing the file fixed it
[20:07:33] <jmkasunich> I think I saved from the editor half way thru the make
[20:13:57] <alex_joni> I think jeff set up the lists to be archived somewhere else .. right?
[20:17:22] <alex_joni> hi ray
[20:17:33] <rayh> Hi Alex
[20:17:40] <alex_joni> how's stuff?
[20:17:59] <rayh> I'd complain but no one wants to listen.
[20:18:04] <rayh> actually pretty well.
[20:18:33] <rayh> found a dead mobo parport today guys getting a pci version and we'll see if we can get the machine running again.
[20:18:39] <rayh> How are things with you?
[20:19:00] <alex_joni> pretty good, lots of work (but I can't complain about that)
[20:19:12] <alex_joni> just came home from a concert (was a nice change from daily routine :)
[20:19:39] <rayh> What kind of concert?
[20:19:48] <alex_joni> a french pianist
[20:19:53] <alex_joni> Philippe Pagès
[20:20:01] <jmkasunich> no rock-n-roll?
[20:20:14] <alex_joni> you probably heard of him as Richard Clayderman
[20:20:19] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: not quite :)
[20:22:41] <rayh> Hi jmkasunich
[20:22:54] <SWPadnos> yay - corporate tax info passed off to the accountant!
[20:23:08] <SWPadnos> now I'm free to find and pack everything we need for Florida
[20:23:25] <rayh> there is a dog!
[20:23:32] <SWPadnos> yes there is :)
[20:23:43] <SWPadnos> dog helps those who do the work themselves
[20:23:55] <alex_joni> dog?
[20:24:03] <SWPadnos> god backwards ;)
[20:24:16] <jepler> but the "backwards" of a dog is *not* god.
[20:24:25] <rayh> I'm dyslexic
[20:24:26] <SWPadnos> better than god, I think ;)
[20:24:43] <SWPadnos> but not for everyone
[20:26:34] <rayh> hi jepler
[20:26:35] <SWPadnos> Dyslexics, Untie!
[20:26:44] <jepler> hi rayh
[20:26:59] <SWPadnos> ph yeah. hi rayh jmkasunich jepler alex_joni :)
[20:27:03] <SWPadnos> s/ph/oh/
[20:27:07] <alex_joni> hi SWPadnos
[20:28:09] <jmkasunich> hi
[20:28:34] <alex_joni> hi jmkasunich
[20:28:45] <cradek> hi all
[20:28:46] <jmkasunich> hello everybody
[20:28:53] <alex_joni> hi chris & everybody
[20:49:29] <SWPadnos> phew - I guess dog is done with me for now :)
[21:17:05] <a-l-p-h-a> did it attack?
[21:17:05] <a-l-p-h-a> :D
[21:17:54] <a-l-p-h-a> SWPadnos, this is cool... did you know your v3c has gps?
[21:18:01] <a-l-p-h-a> http://www.mgmaps.com/
[21:18:21] <SWPadnos> yes, at least for E911 use
[21:18:44] <a-l-p-h-a> well... you supposedly can put a map onto it too
[21:19:00] <SWPadnos> I'm willing to bet that any other use of GPS is disabled by Verizon, unless you have their "VZ Navigator" service
[21:19:11] <SWPadnos> they're pretty shitty that way
[21:19:20] <a-l-p-h-a> I think it's used via the java 2 gps api within the phone
[21:19:42] <SWPadnos> yeah, assuming that the Java2 GPS API is in this phone ... :)
[21:19:58] <a-l-p-h-a> hmmmmmmmm... uses data over the web.
[21:20:06] <a-l-p-h-a> so it's gonna cost me coinage to use it.
[21:20:06] <a-l-p-h-a> pooh
[21:20:18] <a-l-p-h-a> Mobile GMaps is not operator-dependent, it only needs internet access. In theory, as long as your mobile provider allows internet access, the application should work.
[21:20:44] <SWPadnos> I think the GPS thing in phones isn't real GPS - it uses strength to nearby base stations to triangulate location
[21:21:02] <a-l-p-h-a> dunno.
[21:21:11] <a-l-p-h-a> gps units are getting small... just a reciever is pretty tiny
[21:22:08] <SWPadnos> they can't get too small without superconducting antennas
[21:22:55] <a-l-p-h-a> true
[21:23:15] <SWPadnos> that reminds me - we should bring out GPS
[21:23:18] <SWPadnos> our
[21:25:08] <a-l-p-h-a> you need it?
[21:25:11] <a-l-p-h-a> you get lost often? :)
[21:25:25] <SWPadnos> we may want to do some geocaching
[21:27:05] <a-l-p-h-a> SWPadnos, go forth and have kids... kids make geocaching more fun. :)
[21:30:16] <skunkworks> there is a guy in the astronomy club that has geocached all over the use with his familly
[21:30:22] <rayh> can we use gps as position in emc2?
[21:30:32] <skunkworks> he says it is great fun
[21:31:17] <skunkworks> couple acre gantry?
[21:31:47] <alex_joni> what's the best thing to do on an auction?
[21:32:07] <alex_joni> bid at the last moment? or bid early to make sure they don't cancel it?
[21:32:16] <cradek> bid late
[21:32:23] <skunkworks> wait until the end and place your highest bid.
[21:32:37] <alex_joni> skunkworks: this is not quite ebay I'm talking about
[21:32:40] <cradek> at the end, bid what you are WILLING to pay, not what you hope to pay
[21:32:51] <skunkworks> exactly
[21:33:04] <alex_joni> there's no place to enter how much you want to bid
[21:33:15] <alex_joni> you simply bid, and it increases automatically
[21:33:19] <cradek> then we don't know the rules...
[21:33:30] <alex_joni> same here :(
[21:33:55] <alex_joni> I'll give it a couple of days and check again :)
[21:34:07] <skunkworks> scara?
[21:34:11] <alex_joni> skunkworks: yeah
[21:34:15] <skunkworks> cool
[21:34:34] <alex_joni> I somehow hope the control is busted
[21:34:44] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is beeing silly >:)
[21:34:59] <skunkworks> * skunkworks would hope the same thing :)
[21:35:11] <skunkworks> what kind of servos does scara have?
[21:35:12] <alex_joni> it would be better if it were ok
[21:35:18] <alex_joni> nfc here
[21:35:24] <alex_joni> but they're awfully fast
[21:35:38] <alex_joni> and I really mean _awfully_ fast
[21:35:49] <a-l-p-h-a> alex_joni, sniper it at the very very end.
[21:35:51] <a-l-p-h-a> use this... sec
[21:36:18] <a-l-p-h-a> alex_joni,
http://www.jbidwatcher.com/
[21:36:38] <a-l-p-h-a> oops. not ebay
[21:36:41] <skunkworks> father uses an atomic clock to bid the closest he can to the end of the auction
[21:37:01] <a-l-p-h-a> I don'tknow the psychology of live auctions...
[21:37:05] <a-l-p-h-a> skunkworks, that's anal. wow.
[21:37:14] <alex_joni> skunkworks: 11800 IPM
[21:37:23] <a-l-p-h-a> I just bid within the last 5-10 seconds, longer than more people are able to respond.
[21:37:43] <a-l-p-h-a> more=most
[21:37:45] <skunkworks> then he runs some trial refreshes to see how good his connection is and adds it into the equation
[21:37:59] <a-l-p-h-a> skunkworks, what program does he use?
[21:38:04] <skunkworks> none
[21:38:08] <a-l-p-h-a> jbidwatcher is pretty good, albeit it's java.
[21:38:12] <a-l-p-h-a> oh, he does it manually??
[21:38:18] <skunkworks> yes
[21:38:18] <a-l-p-h-a> I can't be bothered to do something like that. :)
[21:38:26] <skunkworks> semi retired
[21:38:30] <a-l-p-h-a> I don't like sitting infront of the computer and waiting.
[21:38:43] <a-l-p-h-a> regardless... he could be playing bocciball, or trying to hit on some nurses at the retirement home.
[21:38:48] <skunkworks> he lives for it I think.. his form of gambling
[21:39:02] <a-l-p-h-a> skunkworks, at least he gets something for his return on his money
[21:39:05] <a-l-p-h-a> as opposed to real gambling.
[21:39:08] <a-l-p-h-a> :(
[21:39:18] <a-l-p-h-a> gambling, lottos, tax for the stupid.
[21:39:40] <a-l-p-h-a> I love how casinos are like "you got a system, we want you here!"
[21:45:38] <alex_joni> http://www.goindustry.com/en/speciallist.asp?SaleID=5964&Track=PrivateTreaty
[21:46:27] <skunkworks> alex_joni: that is quite fast.
[21:46:42] <skunkworks> 18.8kipm?
[21:47:04] <skunkworks> 11.8kipm
[21:47:14] <alex_joni> skunkworks: yeah, 5m/sec
[21:47:26] <alex_joni> scary fast
[21:47:38] <alex_joni> lol, anyone needs to burn many cds around here?
[21:47:51] <alex_joni> http://www.goindustry.com/en/equipmentdetails.asp?sOfferID=888718
[21:49:35] <skunkworks> 236K usd
[21:49:39] <a-l-p-h-a> $180K EUR???
[21:50:00] <a-l-p-h-a> 180K
[21:50:05] <a-l-p-h-a> :( scary
[21:50:28] <a-l-p-h-a> oooooooooooh... it's the real thing... not CDRs... it's pressing them.
[21:50:31] <a-l-p-h-a> off glass?
[21:52:42] <alex_joni> a-l-p-h-a: together with molding machine
[21:52:49] <a-l-p-h-a> neat.
[21:52:52] <alex_joni> and a couple of robots to move the stuff aroudn
[21:53:06] <a-l-p-h-a> I don't have 180K so no go for me.
[21:53:32] <a-l-p-h-a> unless I'm DVD manufacturer shop... I wouldn't bother with it... I'd send it off to China.
[21:53:43] <alex_joni> this is neat
[21:53:45] <alex_joni> http://www.goindustry.com/en/equipmentdetails.asp?sOfferID=1079469
[22:03:35] <alex_joni> good night all
[22:03:49] <jmkasunich> good night