#emc-devel | Logs for 2006-05-14

[00:00:43] <rayh> downloading now about 48k per second.
[00:01:11] <alex_joni> I had about 2MB upload, so there should be some more juice in there
[00:02:58] <rayh> No hurry. I'll let this box run in the corner.
[00:03:28] <alex_joni> rayh: be warned that's the first that ran .. so it might have issues
[00:03:56] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes home to his bed
[00:03:59] <alex_joni> g'night all
[00:03:59] <rayh> no problem.
[00:04:09] <rayh> see you.
[00:04:20] <alex_joni> later today ;)
[00:04:28] <rayh> Right.
[00:40:10] <SWPadnos> cool. maybe I'll put a copy of that on dreamhost
[00:43:05] <rayh> SWPadnos, Have not started driving yet?
[00:43:19] <SWPadnos> sadly, no
[00:43:26] <rayh> Gonna be a long night/day/night.
[00:43:31] <jmkasunich> SWP is up to his ass in labview and fpgas
[00:43:44] <SWPadnos> I only got 3 hours of sleep last night, and didn't get done at my customer's site until after 4:00
[00:43:46] <rayh> Yuck
[00:43:59] <SWPadnos> figured it wouldn't be the best idea to drive for until 2:00 AM
[00:44:21] <rayh> you take some care about getting here.
[00:44:35] <SWPadnos> I'm bringing the computer with that stuff on it - we can look at the parts that might be useful for HALUI
[00:44:45] <SWPadnos> rayh, thanks - I'll be careful
[00:45:07] <rayh> Good.
[00:49:08] <SWPadnos> so - I'm planning on bringing 4 computers to Fest
[00:49:18] <SWPadnos> one is a kiosk-style embedded touch panel PC
[00:49:37] <jmkasunich> cool
[00:49:42] <SWPadnos> that one can go out on the floor, or in the classroom
[00:49:47] <rayh> If you have emc show computers they could go into the public area
[00:50:03] <rayh> and your devel boxes in the developer area.
[00:50:12] <SWPadnos> I wouldn't call it a show computer, unless I mount it in a nice pendant enclosure
[00:50:36] <SWPadnos> all of these machines are emc2 capable, with the possible exception of the dual Opteron
[00:50:57] <rayh> Well show means demonstrating something about emc or allowing others to muck around with an emc on it.
[00:50:58] <SWPadnos> (laptop, tower, kiosk, monster)
[00:51:11] <SWPadnos> ok. I think the touchscreens will be useful for UI issues
[00:51:19] <SWPadnos> the tower has a larger touchscreen as well
[00:51:21] <jmkasunich> I have two smp boxes, wondering whether to bring either one
[00:51:37] <rayh> There is 48 feet of table at least in the public area
[00:51:38] <alex_joni> sounds like the fest should last a few months..
[00:51:40] <SWPadnos> I'll have my biggie, which has a spare HD we can try installs on
[00:52:09] <jmkasunich> I'm bringing a whole stack of SCSI drives, and I'll have a few IDE too
[00:52:15] <SWPadnos> I also have other spare IDE HDs, and the tower computer doesn't have anything on it
[00:52:19] <rayh> I've got 4 general computers, my devel, and a old gateway laptop.
[00:52:36] <jmkasunich> basically, I'm bringing a truckload of crap cause I don't want to think about what to bring and what not to bring
[00:52:42] <SWPadnos> I actually had a problem with my PCI parport card and the USC
[00:52:45] <rayh> I planned on the four being for folk to try out hal ideas.
[00:52:59] <rayh> to fast?
[00:53:04] <SWPadnos> dunno
[00:53:17] <SWPadnos> I never had a chance to hook up a scope to see if parport worked also
[00:53:30] <rayh> The usc has a handshake that has to happen during some startup time.
[00:53:38] <rayh> on pin 13
[00:53:47] <SWPadnos> I think it may have been a kernel issue, because they seemed to be correctly detected on the BDI machine (kiosk), but not on a new ubuntu+emc2 machine
[00:53:52] <rayh> I had to break that wire.
[00:54:11] <rayh> for my athalon 64
[00:54:17] <SWPadnos> hmmm
[00:54:35] <rayh> But jone will be here and we can accost him with the problems.
[00:54:42] <SWPadnos> right - that was my plan ;)
[00:54:49] <SWPadnos> this is the card I have:
[00:54:53] <SWPadnos> http://www.byterunner.com/byterunner/product_name=PCI-1284-P2/user-id=/password=/exchange=/exact_match=exact
[00:55:57] <SWPadnos> I swapped the mesa card into the tower, and put the parport card back in the kiosk
[00:56:03] <SWPadnos> which now has 4 parports ;)
[00:56:38] <rayh> That would be a nice demo box for hal connections.
[00:56:50] <SWPadnos> yep
[00:57:05] <SWPadnos> "just load a different config for the lathe on parport 3 ...
[00:57:39] <SWPadnos> I haven't set u pthe serial card for the touchscreen yet, but "it should work"
[00:58:00] <SWPadnos> I assume there's a DHCP server on the network?
[01:00:04] <rayh> Yep
[01:00:29] <SWPadnos> good deal - that'll make a lot of things easier ;)
[01:01:57] <SWPadnos> I havea lab power supply (60V 18A) listed in the things I'm bringing - does anyone think we'll actually use it?
[01:02:28] <jmkasunich> dunno
[01:02:35] <jmkasunich> I was planning on bringing a smaller one
[01:02:40] <jmkasunich> 60V 1A or so
[01:02:57] <rayh> I don't see an immediate need. Would be nice for gecko steppers but I've not heard of anyone bringing a bunch without a supply.
[01:03:06] <SWPadnos> it's in a small "audio rack" that's on wheels. hmmm - that's a rolling lab cart, I guess
[01:03:18] <SWPadnos> I'm bringing some servos and G320s
[01:03:27] <rayh> I've got a variable +24 for small stuff like io
[01:03:28] <SWPadnos> maybe I can even make my motor cables
[01:03:38] <SWPadnos> this is also variable
[01:03:58] <SWPadnos> 0-60, 0-18, adjustable current limit
[01:04:39] <alex_joni> jepler: around? (except fixing tkemc ;)
[01:06:00] <SWPadnos> ah - here's one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110000268102
[01:06:40] <Roguish> SWPadnos: I know that seller.
[01:06:52] <SWPadnos> cool
[01:07:21] <rayh> going away guys. see you in a day or so.
[01:07:26] <SWPadnos> see you later
[01:07:38] <SWPadnos> I suppose I should go pack up some of this stuff ;)
[02:40:33] <jmkasunich_> jmkasunich_ is now known as jmkasunich
[02:45:23] <cradek> I don't have a hub to bring - will we have enough?
[02:45:53] <SWPadnos> I'm bringing a 16-port 10/100 switch, and a 16-port 10/100 dual-speed hub
[02:46:07] <cradek> can you spare two ports? :-)
[02:46:20] <SWPadnos> I can also bring about 140 ports or so of managed, switched 10MBit ;)
[02:46:24] <cradek> I have several cables
[02:46:25] <SWPadnos> probably ;)
[02:46:37] <SWPadnos> I'll be bringing a dozen or two cables
[02:46:44] <cradek> great
[02:46:48] <SWPadnos> one or two dozen, that is
[02:46:57] <cradek> we'll probably end up short of the most common things, like power cables
[02:47:10] <SWPadnos> I can bring a box, if you like
[02:47:23] <SWPadnos> I was just thinking about an extension cord or two as well
[02:47:27] <SWPadnos> big ones
[02:47:36] <cradek> I bet we could not have too many extension cords and power strips
[02:47:50] <SWPadnos> that was my thought as well
[02:47:52] <cradek> when do you expect to get there?
[02:48:04] <SWPadnos> unfortunately, afternoon Monday
[02:48:13] <SWPadnos> I should have left 12 hours ago
[02:48:18] <SWPadnos> maybe 14
[02:48:25] <cradek> you must have a LONG drive
[02:48:32] <SWPadnos> ~1100 miles
[02:48:40] <cradek> wow
[02:48:45] <SWPadnos> yep
[02:48:54] <SWPadnos> jmk is about half way for me
[02:49:02] <cradek> but still, this must be a good location if we can all get there
[02:49:26] <SWPadnos> I like MD better, but that's just me (and I aven't been to Rolands)
[02:49:29] <cradek> (unlike NIST was)
[02:49:41] <jmkasunich> I'm bringing a 16 port switch (I think I can find it...) and a couple power strips
[02:49:48] <cradek> great
[02:49:54] <jmkasunich> I have lots of power cords (for the back of puters, etc)
[02:50:00] <jmkasunich> no long extensions tho
[02:50:08] <cradek> if we don't need them, they can stay in the car with no harm done
[02:50:11] <SWPadnos> should I bring a lot of wire? (like colored wire for making machine connections)
[02:50:27] <SWPadnos> I can bring one or two heavy duty 70 foot extension cords
[02:50:35] <jmkasunich> SWP: those would be good
[02:50:44] <jmkasunich> from outlet to where we are can be spread out
[02:50:47] <SWPadnos> with 3-outlet dongles at the end
[02:50:52] <SWPadnos> yep
[02:50:56] <jmkasunich> once we get to a table, a power strip can feed everybody
[02:51:41] <SWPadnos> yep. I have a couple of great strips from CostCo - I wish they still sold them
[02:51:55] <SWPadnos> 4' long extruded aluminum, with 12 outlets spaced toughly 3-4 " apart
[02:52:00] <SWPadnos> roughy
[02:52:02] <SWPadnos> gah
[02:52:04] <SWPadnos> roughly
[02:52:51] <jmkasunich> nice
[02:52:57] <SWPadnos> what about machinist measurement tools: micrometers, calipers, etc.?
[02:53:07] <SWPadnos> the nice thing is that they were 2 for $17
[02:53:14] <SWPadnos> I should have bought 10
[02:53:20] <jmkasunich> the two I have were surge protectors for net stuff
[02:53:37] <SWPadnos> strangely, I don't thikn I'll have any spares of that type :)
[02:53:41] <jmkasunich> 8 outlets and 12 cat5's all protected
[02:53:41] <cradek> I'll have my dial calipers, I can bring my 0-1cm micrometer
[02:53:42] <SWPadnos> maybe one
[02:54:06] <cradek> but I don't think I have a bigger micrometer
[02:54:08] <SWPadnos> ok. I can bring a set of micrometers, depth micrometers, and an 8" digital caliper
[02:54:15] <SWPadnos> I have a 0-6" set
[02:54:21] <cradek> anyone have hole gauges?
[02:54:37] <SWPadnos> I have some crappy ones that you stick in the hole, then pull out and measure
[02:54:45] <cradek> yeah that's what I mean
[02:54:51] <cradek> I should get a set of those
[02:54:52] <SWPadnos> butoh - yes ;)
[02:55:00] <SWPadnos> $8 or so on eBay
[02:55:11] <cradek> nothing says quality like $8 on ebay
[02:55:17] <SWPadnos> that's my motto ;)
[02:55:40] <SWPadnos> unfortunately, none of my measurement tools say "Starrett" on them
[02:56:11] <cradek> my dial caliper was a nice mitutoyo (sp) until I dropped it
[02:56:27] <cradek> now I have a much cooler cheapie that measures inch and mm at the same time
[02:56:42] <cradek> I've never seen another like it
[02:56:59] <SWPadnos> heh. that's why I have an 8" digital (shars, so not that great) - I dropped the first one
[02:57:30] <jmkasunich> damn...
[02:57:32] <cradek> I'm probably a nut but I've never liked the digital ones
[02:57:37] <jmkasunich> I'm missing a whole pile of stuff
[02:57:45] <jmkasunich> stuff I think I didn't unpack from the last trip
[02:57:46] <cradek> missing?
[02:57:49] <SWPadnos> you gave it to me at last year's Fest ;)
[02:57:54] <cradek> uh-oh
[02:58:08] <cradek> so you have a box somewhere but you don't know where?
[02:58:31] <jmkasunich> something like that
[02:59:10] <jmkasunich> maybe more than one :-(
[02:59:32] <cradek> did you look in the back of the van/truck? (half serious)
[03:00:29] <jmkasunich> that's empty
[03:00:42] <jmkasunich> this is bad
[03:00:52] <jmkasunich> among other things my 16 port switch is missing
[03:01:13] <jmkasunich> the consequences of having a pigsty for a basement
[03:01:15] <cradek> do you think you didn't make it home with this stuff?
[03:01:19] <jmkasunich> nobody to blame but me
[03:01:23] <jmkasunich> no, its here somewhere
[03:01:59] <cradek> will someone have a machinery's handbook? mine is old
[03:02:33] <jmkasunich> what I'm dealing with: http://linuxcnc.org/compile_farm/festcam.shtml
[03:03:13] <cradek> I think we all deal with that
[03:03:56] <SWPadnos> I'm bringing a 27th edition
[03:04:23] <jmkasunich> I have a 26th, dunno if I'm bringing it
[03:04:41] <SWPadnos> mine's already in the box with all the O'Reilley books
[03:04:43] <cradek> ok great
[03:05:24] <cradek> like 1/4-20 threads have changed much in the last ten years...
[03:05:51] <jmkasunich> found the switch
[03:05:55] <cradek> yay
[03:05:57] <jmkasunich> but not the stuff I thought was with it
[03:06:06] <cradek> maybe you have two :-)
[03:06:07] <jmkasunich> including the other powerstrip
[03:09:20] <cradek> can you make festcam.shtml autoreload?
[03:10:17] <jmkasunich> don't know the html to do that
[03:10:25] <SWPadnos> is the syntax sometihng like <meta name="refresh" value="60">
[03:11:02] <SWPadnos> ah: <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="60">
[03:11:09] <SWPadnos> in seconds
[03:11:43] <SWPadnos> ah ha - I may have figured out why mi big machine doesn't alway sboot up correctly
[03:11:47] <SWPadnos> the UPS may be undersized
[03:12:37] <SWPadnos> damn. I have so many wall warts here, I can't remember which one goes with what
[03:16:21] <jmkasunich> swp: a bunch of folks autorefreshing isn't gonna be a problem?
[03:16:38] <SWPadnos> I don't think it'll matter with 40k files
[03:16:55] <jmkasunich> we can change it to 120 or something if we want
[03:17:00] <SWPadnos> it looks like I may use almost 110GB of transfer this month
[03:17:03] <SWPadnos> out of 2000
[03:17:31] <SWPadnos> you can do 15000 refreshes for the cost of a single ISO ;)
[03:18:08] <SWPadnos> damn. where the heck is my other servo motor?
[03:19:33] <jmkasunich> ok, auto-refresh in place
[03:20:10] <SWPadnos> cool
[03:20:21] <SWPadnos> of course, people with FireFox can auto-refresh anyway
[03:26:57] <jmkasunich> I'm getting overwhelmed
[03:27:07] <jmkasunich> I thought this wasn't going to happen this year
[03:29:19] <SWPadnos> heh
[03:29:26] <SWPadnos> just leave stuff behind
[03:29:35] <SWPadnos> there won't be time to do everything anyway
[03:29:58] <jmkasunich> then I have to figure out what to leave and what to take
[03:30:02] <jmkasunich> which is just as hard
[03:30:07] <SWPadnos> I think there are a few key things we want to do (other than unloading as much junk as possible on unsuspecting passers-by)
[03:30:30] <cradek> hey that's me
[03:30:42] <SWPadnos> err - need some giant steppers?
[03:30:50] <SWPadnos> still in the box!
[03:31:09] <jmkasunich> I have two nema 42's sitting ready to go in the truck
[03:31:19] <cradek> could I use them for traction in winter?
[03:31:37] <SWPadnos> I'm here looking at all the microcontroller programmers and FPGA devkits (and camera devkits), which would be really cool to play with, but then again, I'm tired ;)
[03:31:44] <cradek> haha the last two images have been motion-blurred jmks
[03:31:52] <SWPadnos> cradek, yeah - throw them in the back of the truck, and you'll never get stuck
[03:31:59] <SWPadnos> he's a quick one
[03:33:14] <jmkasunich> I'm bringing my current probe, for those folks (fenn) who are playing with H-bridges
[03:33:24] <jmkasunich> don't think I need the big probe (150A)
[03:33:44] <SWPadnos> ok. I'll leave the 600A one at home ;) (thanks)
[03:34:12] <SWPadnos> I'm bringing both scopes, so we should be set for that
[03:34:25] <SWPadnos> hmmm -maybe some unsuspecting passer-by will want to buy one
[03:34:28] <jmkasunich> I'm bringing one scope, the 2440
[03:34:33] <cradek> I was going to bring mine too (analog storage) - is it stupid?
[03:34:46] <jmkasunich> hard to say
[03:34:51] <jmkasunich> probably overkill
[03:34:54] <cradek> not sure how many we can possibly need
[03:35:00] <cradek> probably 1
[03:35:03] <jmkasunich> right
[03:35:20] <SWPadnos> heh - I'm bringing 6 analog and 32 digital channels, with 100 or 1000 MHz bandwidth
[03:35:23] <cradek> I think each of us wants to bring enough for every possible situation
[03:35:27] <SWPadnos> right
[03:35:55] <cradek> that's good, it means we can each forget 20% of what we intend to bring and ... confidence interval ... statistics ... we'll probably be ok
[03:36:02] <SWPadnos> then again, if we want to look at signals on the Mazak at the same time as we're developing a the Mesa driver, it may be needed
[03:36:06] <SWPadnos> heh
[03:36:50] <SWPadnos> hmmm - maybe disable the refresh until the cemera actually gets to fest
[03:36:50] <jmkasunich> I wonder if I should bring any of my KVM switches for the swap
[03:36:57] <jmkasunich> (I'll have my own to use of course)
[03:37:09] <SWPadnos> I wonder how many people would use them ...
[03:37:18] <jmkasunich> only geeks like us
[03:37:25] <SWPadnos> right - I'd leave them at home ;)
[03:37:31] <jmkasunich> ebay's probably a better place
[03:37:43] <SWPadnos> could well be
[03:37:46] <cradek> yeah
[03:37:57] <cradek> unix users don't much need kvm switches
[03:41:04] <SWPadnos> any opinions on the hookup wire? is that the kind of thing that will be on hand in copious amounts, or the kind of thing that everyone goes to Radio Shack / orders from DigiKey every day?
[03:41:42] <jmkasunich> Roland has wire
[03:41:46] <jmkasunich> just remembered
[03:41:49] <jmkasunich> no need to bring
[03:41:57] <jmkasunich> he's got 14AWG and 18 and maybe 22
[03:43:20] <jmkasunich> I'm trying to get un-frazzled by writing down what I have and what I might need... its helping a little
[03:43:41] <jmkasunich> computer, monitor, keybd, mouse, power strip, etc
[03:43:52] <cradek> I have made three lists over the last few months, and I lost one
[03:43:59] <jmkasunich> I should have
[03:44:01] <jmkasunich> in the past I did
[03:44:08] <jmkasunich> these last few days snuck up on me
[03:44:18] <jmkasunich> didn't help that we went to a baseball game last night
[03:44:35] <cradek> me too, I've been swamped this week
[03:45:21] <cradek> haha I have to remember clothes, toothbrush, etc - I haven't thought about any of that yet
[03:45:29] <jmkasunich> same here
[03:46:13] <jmkasunich> I'm drawing a blank as to what else I _NEED_
[03:46:21] <jmkasunich> as opposed to the tons of crap that I might want
[03:46:42] <jmkasunich> duh, hand tools
[03:47:28] <SWPadnos> logger_devel, bookmark
[03:47:28] <SWPadnos> See
[03:48:27] <SWPadnos> I'm bringing a pretty complete set of hand tools
[03:48:37] <SWPadnos> though that's the kind of thing that multiples of are good
[03:48:49] <cradek> I'm only bringing basic tools
[03:49:05] <jmkasunich> wire cutters, screwdrivers, etc
[03:49:10] <cradek> yeah
[03:49:10] <SWPadnos> what about encoder wire? I'm planning on bringing some pretty nice shielded 3-pair and 4-pair wire
[03:49:51] <SWPadnos> + wrenches, soldering stuff, desoldering stuff ;) , small tools (like for those damned small screw terminals) etc
[03:50:14] <cradek> can't forget allen wrenches - all the sherline stuff is allen
[03:50:51] <SWPadnos> yep.. I even found all 10 T-handle ball-end wrenches = and the holder for them :)
[03:50:52] <jmkasunich> english, metric and torx ;-)
[03:51:10] <SWPadnos> I'm assuming that power tools aren't really necessary ...
[03:51:16] <jmkasunich> no
[03:51:31] <jmkasunich> roland has a shop and we can borrow (within reason)
[03:51:42] <cradek> will we have access to basic stuff like drill press and manual lathe/mill?
[03:52:00] <jmkasunich> yes and no
[03:52:04] <jmkasunich> yes, they exist
[03:52:10] <jmkasunich> but it might be inconvenient
[03:52:29] <cradek> well we'll make do then
[03:52:30] <SWPadnos> I'm just wondering how much of my own stuff I should bring. I can either get a fair amount of work done on my controller, or I can get a fair amount of work done on emc
[03:52:43] <jmkasunich> or a little of both
[03:52:46] <SWPadnos> once we rerofit a machine, we should have good access ;)
[03:53:13] <cradek> well I have a nicely working small lathe and mill that I'm bringing.
[03:53:19] <cradek> but no big stuff.
[03:53:32] <SWPadnos> let's see if we can get JonE to hurry on the BP
[03:53:44] <cradek> will he be there early in the week?
[03:53:47] <jmkasunich> I don't anticipate needing anything realy big
[03:54:12] <jmkasunich> when we needed a panel made for the Mazak Roland programmed it and made it on one of his bports
[03:54:17] <jmkasunich> but that took a day
[03:54:31] <SWPadnos> will there be some materials available to purchase? (like steel plate for the backplate in a NEMA enclosure)
[03:54:31] <cradek> how about stock like flat and round bar scrap?
[03:54:53] <jmkasunich> he's got quite a bit
[03:55:03] <jmkasunich> damn, just remembered something I wanted to grab from work
[03:55:13] <cradek> I should bring some 1/4" brass rod, I think I have a stash of it somewhere
[03:55:20] <SWPadnos> hmmm - I wonder if Fred will be able to re-license my copy of STLWorks
[03:55:22] <jmkasunich> we have a 2" x 8" x 12" or bigger slab of machinable wax, left over from a closed lab
[03:55:44] <jmkasunich> and about 10 pieces of 1/2 to 1" dia x 3" long aluminim bar scrap
[03:55:57] <cradek> I've already made an extra trip to work tonight... your turn?
[03:55:58] <SWPadnos> I'm bringing my CAD software along, so we can test out the model -> STL -> G-code stuff (or actually make parts we need)
[03:56:06] <jmkasunich> no, too much to do here
[03:56:31] <cradek> SWPadnos: great, I will have eagle and autocad, but nothing advanced
[03:56:52] <SWPadnos> well - I wouldn't call CadMax "advanced", but it's capable of doing the job ;)
[03:57:04] <cradek> autocad r12 ca 1994?
[03:57:08] <SWPadnos> I'm even bringing the manual, so I have a chance of remembering how to use it
[03:57:23] <jmkasunich> think we might try rigid tapping?
[03:57:25] <SWPadnos> ok - thi sis a fully parametric solid modeler, so I guess it is comparatively advanced
[03:57:26] <cradek> haha, I haven't need a manual since ... about 1994
[03:57:35] <cradek> jmkasunich: I'd like to do that
[03:57:44] <jmkasunich> I have 10 pcs of 1-1/4" square tube, 1/8" wall, and 2" long, that are scrap
[03:58:00] <jmkasunich> can drill and tap a lot of holes in each side
[03:58:05] <cradek> great
[03:58:19] <jmkasunich> or we break the tap on the first one and quit
[03:58:21] <cradek> that's one of the things that would be really nice to get working
[03:58:32] <jmkasunich> thats what I wanted to bring the wax for
[03:58:44] <jmkasunich> maybe I'll stop in tomorrow morning and grab it
[03:58:47] <cradek> hey good idea
[03:58:52] <cradek> that would be really nice
[04:00:03] <SWPadnos> wood would work also
[04:00:14] <SWPadnos> though it does splinter
[04:00:54] <cradek> who has a few old taps?
[04:01:12] <cradek> I guess we can always run to the nearby hardware store
[04:01:17] <SWPadnos> I have some big ones - like 1/4-18 NPT
[04:01:33] <SWPadnos> not sure if they'll work though - they're for the big hand tappers
[04:01:35] <cradek> uh 1/4-18?
[04:01:57] <cradek> would be nice if it matched a bolt...
[04:02:05] <SWPadnos> it's a pipe thread
[04:02:14] <SWPadnos> so the OD is close to 1/2"
[04:02:21] <cradek> ah
[04:02:32] <SWPadnos> I can bring a crappy tap and die set
[04:02:33] <jmkasunich> and tapered...
[04:02:36] <SWPadnos> what about hardware?
[04:02:39] <jmkasunich> I can bring 3/8-16
[04:02:46] <SWPadnos> like socket head cap screws and the like?
[04:03:02] <jmkasunich> I doubt we'd break that especially if tapping wax or 1/8" thick alum
[04:03:05] <cradek> I buy that stuff as I need it from a nearby store, I don't have any stock
[04:03:21] <cradek> yeah 3/8 sounds like a good size
[04:03:42] <SWPadnos> MSC / McMaster catalogs?
[04:03:44] <cradek> do you have the matching drill (whatever it is)?
[04:03:59] <SWPadnos> I can bring a 115-piece drill set, if you like
[04:04:07] <SWPadnos> and a chart ;)
[04:04:53] <cradek> ~ 3/8 would be a pretty big drill around my shop
[04:05:16] <jmkasunich> I can bring Mcmaster, but they're online anyway
[04:05:32] <SWPadnos> they're all online, but flipping pages often works better for me
[04:05:32] <cradek> their online search stuff is really good
[04:05:38] <cradek> true enough
[04:05:46] <SWPadnos> especially if I don't know the name of the doohickey I want
[04:06:10] <jmkasunich> I have 1/2-13 and 3/8-16 spiral point taps, a 3/8-16 bolt, and five 1/2-13x4" bronze bolts plus the aluminum squares
[04:06:24] <jmkasunich> the bronze makes good lathe stock (not as nice as brass, but free)
[04:06:37] <jmkasunich> theres at least 3" of unthreaded 1/2" diameter shank on each one
[04:06:44] <cradek> cool
[04:07:06] <cradek> I'll bring the threading tools (I think I have a box)
[04:07:40] <cradek> I don't have to bring tapping fluid, way oil, etc right?
[04:07:56] <jmkasunich> we should be able to dig that stuff up
[04:08:07] <jmkasunich> I know they had a couple gallons of way oil
[04:08:16] <cradek> I would hate to mess up jepler's car with open containers of that stuff
[04:08:17] <jmkasunich> there's gotta be tapping fluid around
[04:08:23] <cradek> right
[04:08:42] <SWPadnos> if not, there's MSC
[04:11:43] <jmkasunich> theres also probably local sources
[04:11:54] <jmkasunich> they don't have heavy industry, but they do have farming and such
[04:12:08] <jmkasunich> farm supply store would have things like oil and tap-magic I bet
[04:12:24] <cradek> I've tapped with 10w30
[04:12:37] <jmkasunich> I usually use gear oil
[04:14:35] <jmkasunich> I wonder how many computers I should bring
[04:14:40] <jmkasunich> main box of course
[04:14:46] <jmkasunich> the thin client, because its easy
[04:14:49] <jmkasunich> laptop maybe
[04:15:05] <cradek> I'm bringing the laptop for the lathe and the huge "max" for the mill if I need it
[04:15:14] <jmkasunich> I have the LPR server (3" hi rackmount) and a regular tower, both SMP
[04:15:16] <cradek> "max" and the 21" monitor may just stay in the car
[04:15:33] <jmkasunich> I'm bringing my 20" LCD and 4 way KVM
[04:15:55] <jmkasunich> shit... I probalby want a doze box for easycad
[04:16:02] <jmkasunich> (documentation drawings, etc)
[04:16:20] <cradek> you need to figure out a new tool for that...
[04:16:44] <jmkasunich> I tried to set up a qemu for it, gave me fits and I quit
[04:18:15] <cradek> what do you draw with it? just vector stuff and text?
[04:18:21] <jmkasunich> yeah
[04:18:32] <jmkasunich> don't tell me to use dia or some such crap
[04:18:36] <cradek> xfig will do that but the ui is pretty bad (dated)
[04:18:42] <cradek> don't know what dia is
[04:18:53] <jmkasunich> you'll pry easycad out of my cold dead fingers
[04:19:09] <cradek> haha ok
[04:19:17] <cradek> now take it easy... deep breaths...
[04:19:17] <SWPadnos> as for computers, I'll have a dual Opteron (with Win2k, Ubuntu, and a spare HD), an Athlon tower with Ubuntu (can be reformatted if we choose), my laptop (with win2k, BDI 4.30, and ubuntu, either Linux can be blown away), and the kiosk, with BDI 4.30
[04:19:38] <SWPadnos> I wish there were good CAD equivalents on Linux, I really do
[04:19:49] <cradek> my machine has plug-in disks and I'm bringing 2 or 3 empty spares for install work if we want to do it
[04:19:54] <jmkasunich> if I bring the LPR, I'll have about 10 drives that can be swapped into it
[04:19:59] <SWPadnos> Altium and 3-D design (CadMax / SolidWorks) are about the only reasons to use Windows
[04:20:57] <SWPadnos> any need for chassis punches?
[04:21:17] <SWPadnos> (with manual hydraulic pump)
[04:21:21] <cradek> man I wish I had been able to find a GTI with the turbo diesel like I wanted - autoweek test drove a jetta (bigger car) and got 49.9mpg and it has a 14.5gal tank
[04:21:44] <cradek> that's > 700 miles per tank
[04:22:09] <jmkasunich> SWP: hard to say... on the mazak we used a hole saw to make a couple holes, that was a bitch
[04:22:17] <jmkasunich> but for smaller projects, unlikely
[04:22:22] <SWPadnos> ok. I can throw in the punch set
[04:22:25] <jmkasunich> dunno what people have in mind
[04:22:34] <SWPadnos> I may want them for my own retrofit work
[04:23:01] <SWPadnos> I think I'd like to wire up my VFD into the enclosure I have for it, and get a start on the controller (though I'm not bringing that box)
[04:29:49] <jmkasunich> how about misc computer parts
[04:30:09] <jmkasunich> ram, NICs, Matrox video cards, CPUs, disk drives, etc
[04:30:19] <jmkasunich> I have boxes of that stuff
[04:33:03] <SWPadnos> I don't think we'll need it, but you may be able to sell some
[04:33:43] <jmkasunich> got a box of relays and another of opto-22 stuff
[04:35:33] <jmkasunich> think anybody's likely to be building/repairing PCs?
[04:36:51] <cradek> only if bad luck strikes
[04:41:01] <SWPadnos> I'm going to bring a bunch of opto-22 output relays as well
[04:41:09] <SWPadnos> also a big box of DIN rail parts
[04:41:20] <SWPadnos> (stuff to go on the rails)
[04:44:24] <SWPadnos> does anyone know if there's a projector or other large-ish screen available?
[04:44:37] <jmkasunich> dunno
[04:44:45] <SWPadnos> hmmm - I wonder if the TV out on my laptop works under Linux
[04:44:45] <jmkasunich> ray mentioned the possibility a while ago
[04:44:57] <SWPadnos> I had suggested it a long time ago
[04:44:58] <jmkasunich> but whether it actually happened?
[04:45:13] <SWPadnos> I'll just bring the cord - it's not that big ;)
[04:57:36] <jmkasunich> think we might need a cdrom drive to do installs on machines without one?
[04:58:02] <SWPadnos> I have a spare CDROM in my tower computer
[04:58:10] <jmkasunich> I just answered my own question - the mazak PC doesn't have a drive
[04:58:22] <SWPadnos> I think it's unconnected, so we can easily remove it for that (like for my kiosk PC as well)
[04:58:42] <jmkasunich> we have to decide whether or not to upgrade the mazak from BDI-4.20 to ubuntu...
[04:59:39] <SWPadnos> what processor does it have?
[04:59:47] <jmkasunich> P4 I think
[05:00:17] <SWPadnos> ok, then it should be able to handle the slightly higher load of emc2 ;)
[05:01:07] <jmkasunich> its already running EMC2
[05:01:09] <SWPadnos> damn. I have to put stuff in the van and get to bed. I'm starting to ache
[05:01:19] <jmkasunich> I'm talking about the distro, not the cnc program
[05:01:29] <SWPadnos> I understand
[05:01:43] <jmkasunich> same here, I have a growing pile at the bottom of the steps
[05:01:49] <jmkasunich> still needs hauled up and out
[05:02:14] <SWPadnos> luckily, I'm on the ground floor, right next to the garage, shich has half the junk^Wstuff I'm bringing
[05:02:32] <SWPadnos> there's a considerable pile.
[05:02:48] <SWPadnos> hopefully, it'll be smalle on the way back, but I know my luck
[05:02:50] <SWPadnos> smaller
[05:05:18] <jmkasunich> fuck fuck fuck
[05:05:39] <jmkasunich> I just remembered I was supposed to pick up the bound HAL docs from the copy center between 7: 30 and 9pm
[05:05:52] <jmkasunich> I bet they don't open until noon tomorrow
[05:05:56] <jmkasunich> fuck
[05:07:43] <SWPadnos> bummer
[05:07:57] <jmkasunich> well, I guess that means I can get a little sleep tonight
[05:08:08] <SWPadnos> well, you can always stop on the way, and you'll still get there in time fora late dinner
[05:08:10] <SWPadnos> yep ;)
[05:08:46] <jmkasunich> http://linuxcnc.org/compile_farm/festcam.shtml
[05:08:49] <jmkasunich> my pile
[05:09:37] <jmkasunich> not counting the computer and monitor
[05:10:50] <SWPadnos> everything to the washer/dryer?
[05:11:06] <SWPadnos> or just that center pile
[05:12:44] <jmkasunich> the center pile
[05:13:10] <jmkasunich> the shopvac and stuff behind it over to the trash can is stuff I had to move to dig the other stuff out
[05:13:22] <SWPadnos> he
[05:13:24] <SWPadnos> heh
[05:14:12] <jmkasunich> time to shut down and pack the puter
[05:14:23] <jmkasunich> see you in Illinois
[05:15:16] <SWPadnos> yup - see you
[05:15:30] <jmkasunich> I wonder what else I'm forgetting...
[05:15:41] <SWPadnos> the question of the ages
[05:15:55] <SWPadnos> and still unanswerable
[05:16:17] <jmkasunich> almost forgot the soldering iron and hot air gun
[05:16:30] <jmkasunich> on the list but not on the pile
[05:16:39] <SWPadnos> ok. I've got my pace station along as well
[05:16:45] <SWPadnos> and a panavise
[05:18:16] <jmkasunich> oh, thats a good thing
[05:20:11] <cradek> jmkasunich: are you staying at the econo inn too?
[05:20:15] <jmkasunich> yeah
[05:20:29] <jmkasunich> did you see me cussin a few minutes back
[05:20:41] <jmkasunich> looks like I'll be arriving more like 9pm instead of 6pm
[05:20:46] <cradek> yeah something about an obsolete technology called paper...?
[05:20:57] <jmkasunich> yeah
[05:21:06] <cradek> realistically we'll be there at 9pm too
[05:21:37] <jmkasunich> when I thought I was gonna arrive at 6 I was planning on heading directly to cardinal
[05:21:52] <cradek> cardinal = the workshop location?
[05:21:56] <jmkasunich> yeah
[05:22:01] <jmkasunich> bout 5 miles out of town
[05:22:09] <jmkasunich> 10-15 mins
[05:22:17] <jmkasunich> now, I dunno...
[05:22:29] <jmkasunich> maybe meet at the hotel, get some food
[05:22:42] <jmkasunich> it would be nice to get in touch with ray tho
[05:22:52] <cradek> yeah that might be nice, he says there's a perkins up the road
[05:23:05] <cradek> wonder where ray will be
[05:23:10] <jmkasunich> hard to say
[05:23:13] <cradek> I think he doesn't have a cell phone
[05:23:23] <jmkasunich> at 6 I expected him to be at cardinal
[05:23:30] <jmkasunich> but at 9.... he
[05:23:36] <jmkasunich> he's not a night owl like me
[05:23:42] <cradek> yeah
[05:23:55] <jmkasunich> 9pm on a sunday, the place might be locked up tight
[05:23:56] <cradek> and I may not be after driving for hours
[05:24:16] <cradek> maybe we should plan on meeting at the motel and finding something to do instead
[05:24:27] <jmkasunich> yeah, that sounds like a planb
[05:24:30] <jmkasunich> plan
[05:24:39] <cradek> also I'd like to spot my room before midnight
[05:24:59] <jmkasunich> actually in october when we went back to finish the mazak, I went to cardinal first and it was locked up, found ray at the hotel
[05:25:10] <jmkasunich> we wound up bullshitting for an hour or so, then sleep
[05:25:21] <jmkasunich> he's at the econo too, so we can look him up
[05:25:26] <cradek> great
[05:25:35] <SWPadnos> what was that cell number that flashed by a couple of hours ago?
[05:25:35] <jmkasunich> do you have cardinal's number?
[05:25:44] <jmkasunich> mine?
[05:25:47] <cradek> no
[05:25:47] <SWPadnos> I'm 802 233 5201
[05:25:49] <SWPadnos> I think so
[05:26:23] <jmkasunich> I'm 440-376-0986
[05:26:32] <jmkasunich> but I have bad coverage in galesburg
[05:26:42] <SWPadnos> I suspect I will as well, then
[05:26:46] <jmkasunich> both hotel and shop (at least last year, maybe its better now)
[05:26:50] <jmkasunich> cingular?
[05:27:08] <jmkasunich> cardinal's number is 309-342-7474
[05:27:10] <SWPadnos> Verizon
[05:27:22] <jmkasunich> call that and you can probably either get or leave a message for ray
[05:27:31] <SWPadnos> ok.
[05:28:15] <cradek> did everyone get mine 402 450 8907
[05:28:26] <jmkasunich> got it
[05:28:33] <SWPadnos> got it now - thanks
[05:28:54] <cradek> http://www.alltel.com/corporate/media/downloads/uswlssmaphires.jpg
[05:29:00] <cradek> well crap
[05:29:13] <cradek> doesn't look good for me
[05:29:17] <cradek> maybe roaming will work
[05:29:21] <SWPadnos> big state missing there ;)
[05:29:24] <jmkasunich> I think I've just reached a decision - I'm not driving out to the shop tomorrow night until/unless I meet up with some folks
[05:29:26] <cradek> yeah
[05:29:44] <jmkasunich> I hate to count on cell phones anyway
[05:29:50] <SWPadnos> don't the official festivities begin on Monday anyway?
[05:29:51] <cradek> ok we'll probably do the same, I intend to meet at least you at the motel
[05:29:55] <jmkasunich> yes
[05:30:05] <jmkasunich> we're anything but official tho
[05:30:09] <SWPadnos> heh
[05:30:15] <jmkasunich> ray was moving tables around today
[05:30:23] <jmkasunich> I'd hoped to help him with setup
[05:30:52] <cradek> we could have come sooner and helped if he had asked - I had no idea he would be there so early
[05:31:13] <SWPadnos> yeah - I wanted to be there tomorrow as well. fscking labview!
[05:31:23] <jmkasunich> I thought about driving today, but I said "no, you need to allow a full day to pack, to avoid last minute insanity"
[05:31:26] <jmkasunich> it didn't work
[05:32:04] <cradek> the best thing I can do right now is go to bed!
[05:32:08] <cradek> goodnight guys
[05:32:11] <jmkasunich> goodnight
[05:32:12] <SWPadnos> agreed.
[05:32:14] <SWPadnos> good night
[05:32:17] <jmkasunich> I'm gonna load I think
[05:32:25] <jmkasunich> but shutting down now.
[05:32:28] <jmkasunich> 5....
[05:32:29] <jmkasunich> 4....
[05:32:30] <SWPadnos> night-o
[05:32:31] <jmkasunich> 3....
[05:32:32] <jmkasunich> 2....
[05:32:34] <jmkasunich> 1...
[05:32:35] <SWPadnos> but wait
[05:34:12] <jmkasunich> swp?
[05:34:38] <jmkasunich> were you yanking my chain, or did you really want something?
[05:36:21] <SWPadnos> yanking ;)
[05:36:24] <SWPadnos> night night
[05:37:11] <SWPadnos> actually - do you know what the internet connection is like at hte hotel?
[05:38:19] <jmkasunich> I don't think there is one
[05:38:30] <jmkasunich> its a very basic hotel
[05:38:45] <jmkasunich> I slept and showered there, spend the rest of my time out at the shop
[05:38:49] <SWPadnos> the website says "new! high speed internet access"
[05:38:54] <jmkasunich> oh
[05:38:59] <SWPadnos> or something like that
[05:39:04] <jmkasunich> well, its newer than my last visit
[05:39:16] <jmkasunich> dunno if its wireless or what
[05:39:20] <SWPadnos> I think I'll need to upload a labview thing, and I probably won't get there before midafternoon, at the earliest
[05:39:40] <SWPadnos> I'll probably be better off just setting up at cardinal, probably
[05:39:48] <SWPadnos> reduntantly probable
[05:40:31] <jmkasunich> probably redundant
[05:40:47] <SWPadnos> could be
[05:41:06] <SWPadnos> anyway - I'll let you get your PC packed up, adn I'll hit the sack. good night again
[05:41:35] <jmkasunich> goodnight
[05:41:41] <jmkasunich> no countdown this time....
[13:39:20] <SWPadnos> alex_joni, I put a mirror of the file at http://www.cncgear.com/EMC, but haven't checked it. if youpost an md5sum of the iso, I can check it tonight
[13:39:41] <SWPadnos> "the file" being the ubuntu/emc2 liveCD
[13:39:46] <SWPadnos> ISO
[13:44:22] <SWPadnos> hi Ray
[13:48:22] <alex_joni> 99b79921ea60cc45d81b1bcaac9f0d85 emc2-ubuntu-livecd.iso
[13:48:40] <SWPadnos> ok. one sec while dinero does some calculations ;)
[13:50:11] <rayh> You not on the road yet, SWPadnos?
[13:50:25] <SWPadnos> nope. don't plan to leave much before noon
[13:50:50] <SWPadnos> that puts me at the midpoint hotel at ~10 PM - early these days ;)
[13:54:03] <SWPadnos> two quick questions for you Ray:
[13:54:22] <SWPadnos> 1) is there a projector or large-ish screen display in the "classroom"
[13:54:35] <SWPadnos> 2) how is the internet access at the hotel?
[14:26:46] <rayh> There is supposed to be a projector on the way. Don;'t have a cule about the res of it.
[14:27:12] <rayh> the hotel advertises wireless but I think that it is spotty.
[14:28:07] <rayh> rayh is now known as rayh-occasionall
[14:29:47] <rayh-occasionall> rayh-occasionall is now known as rayh-about
[15:59:01] <SWPadnos> hey rayh-about, are there coffee makres in the hotel rooms? (and how about near the emc area? :)
[16:00:33] <rayh-about> There is coffee at the shop across the alley and they like a buck a day.
[16:01:11] <rayh-about> The rooms do not have coffee but the lounge does have 2 ten or 12 cup and a big drip pot.
[16:01:53] <rayh-about> This is all ordinary coffee so if you prefer a step up, byo.
[16:10:33] <SWPadnos> ok. I was thinking of that ;)
[16:11:07] <SWPadnos> should I bring a coffe maker for the classroom area?
[16:11:27] <SWPadnos> (ie, can I use their facilities with my coffee, or is there "one pot fits all"?)
[16:12:37] <cradek> nearby coffee would be great
[16:13:42] <SWPadnos> ok. I'll bring stuff. do you like Hazelnut, or do you think unflavored would be better?
[16:14:10] <cradek> either is great, I'm not picky
[16:14:21] <cradek> (you should taste what I drink at work)
[16:17:37] <SWPadnos> heh
[16:17:53] <SWPadnos> I've had army coffee, so ...
[16:19:38] <fenn> CRD 5oz MIL-654322345 Instructions: add 1 cup cold muddy water
[16:19:57] <fenn> in olive drab packaging
[16:20:00] <SWPadnos> step 2: season to taste ;)
[16:20:23] <SWPadnos> I love instructions that say things like "cook until done"
[16:31:02] <rayh-about> If you wish to bring a coffee pot for the work area that is good for me.
[16:32:13] <SWPadnos> work area == shop (with metal bits flying about), or emc work area (somewhat less prone to metal ejecta)?
[16:59:08] <steves_logging> steves_logging is now known as steve_stallings
[17:35:42] <alex_joni> hi steve
[17:37:13] <steve_stallings> steve_stallings is now known as steves_logging
[17:37:44] <steves_logging> Oops, Hi Alex, I'm running around moving, logged in to ask Ray a question.
[17:38:01] <alex_joni> going to the fest?
[17:38:20] <steves_logging> Yep, question was about pulling my trailer up to bring back a machine.
[17:38:49] <steves_logging> 18 hour drive, didn't want to pull trailer if it wasn't going to get used
[17:39:05] <alex_joni> I sure can see that..
[17:39:10] <alex_joni> drive carefully btw
[17:39:26] <steves_logging> Not too late for you to jump on a plane 8-)
[17:39:42] <alex_joni> but it is..
[17:39:55] <alex_joni> can't get a visa in less than 2 weeks or so
[17:40:23] <steves_logging> Fly to Mexico and come across the border, it seems to work for everyone else....
[17:40:30] <alex_joni> ROFL
[17:41:04] <steves_logging> Wireless is pretty good at fest, stay in touch.
[17:41:09] <steves_logging> Later....
[17:41:34] <alex_joni> ok, have fun there