#emc-devel | Logs for 2005-12-25

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[04:41:21] <SWP_Away> hey there jmk
[04:41:28] <jmkasunich> hey
[04:41:33] <jmkasunich> Merry Christmas!
[04:41:41] <SWP_Away> thanks
[04:41:43] <SWP_Away> same to you
[04:42:04] <SWP_Away> (or happy Chanukkah, Ramadan, Kwanzaa, etc. :)
[04:42:13] <jmkasunich> (I just came online to see who is crazy enough to be in IRC at 11:40 on Christmas Eve.... ;-)
[04:42:16] <SWP_Away> oh - and belated solstice
[04:42:26] <SWP_Away> just us non-believers, I guess ;)
[04:42:31] <jmkasunich> yeah, Happy <insert holiday here>
[04:42:32] <SWP_Away> (at least one of us)
[04:42:47] <SWP_Away> I've been signing emails as happy ($Holiday)
[04:42:52] <jmkasunich> My wife is at church, I'm home being a heathen
[04:42:57] <SWP_Away> cool!
[04:43:15] <SWP_Away> My wife gave up church
[04:43:44] <SWP_Away> I think it may have been when she noticed that the churches (and the employees thereof) were all fat nd happy, but there were still poor people around
[04:43:51] <jmkasunich> heh
[04:44:24] <jmkasunich> funny how that works, isn't it?
[04:44:29] <SWP_Away> yeah
[04:44:34] <SWP_Away> har har
[04:45:10] <jmkasunich> anyway, this is way too close to the two topics that ones doesn't dicuss on IRC...
[04:45:16] <SWP_Away> wives?
[04:45:24] <jmkasunich> religion and politics
[04:45:40] <SWP_Away> and wives
[04:45:46] <jmkasunich> lol\
[04:45:51] <jmkasunich> oops
[04:45:56] <SWP_Away> (or even worse - wives' religion or politics)
[04:45:56] <jmkasunich> just lol
[04:46:20] <SWP_Away> yep
[04:47:44] <SWP_Away> so - you were traveling, right (or is that next week?)
[04:48:05] <jmkasunich> anyway, the season is good for vacation from work (don't have to go back until 1/3) and visiting family (mine monday, hers the rest of the week)
[04:48:13] <SWP_Away> cool
[04:48:32] <SWP_Away> we sort of escaped that this year - we've gone to Wisconsin for hte last 10 years or so
[04:49:10] <cradek> hello
[04:49:12] <jmkasunich> thats not a short drive for you (or do you fly?)
[04:49:14] <SWP_Away> hiya
[04:49:18] <jmkasunich> hi cradek
[04:49:27] <SWP_Away> we normally fly, though we have driven once or twice
[04:49:34] <SWP_Away> probably once, though it seemed like twice
[04:49:42] <jmkasunich> heh
[04:50:18] <SWP_Away> was it 2 or 3 years ago when there was a really nasty snowstorm, and there were several 40-car pileups on the Pennsylvania turnpike?
[04:50:22] <SWP_Away> we drove that year
[04:50:23] <jmkasunich> my wife's parents live on the east shore of the Cheseapeke bay, about 10 hrs
[04:50:53] <SWP_Away> oh cool - they can look across the water (with suitable optics) at my uncle
[04:50:56] <jmkasunich> mine are only about 2 hrs away
[04:51:18] <jmkasunich> uncle is in maryland? virginia? DC?
[04:51:28] <SWP_Away> MD - just outside Annapolis
[04:51:58] <jmkasunich> we pass Annapolis on the way (bay bridge and all that)
[04:52:11] <SWP_Away> ah yes - route 50, right?
[04:52:31] <jmkasunich> yep
[04:52:39] <SWP_Away> If you take the exit for Aris T. Allen Drive (route 667, I think), it'll bring you about 1 mile from his house
[04:53:03] <SWP_Away> He's on the water, about 3 houses from the ocean
[04:53:07] <jmkasunich> cool
[04:53:14] <jmkasunich> bay, not ocean ;-)
[04:53:28] <SWP_Away> there's a river across the street from him (beyond the houses)
[04:53:33] <SWP_Away> right ;)
[04:53:51] <SWP_Away> I'm used to Lake champlain, so it seems ocean-esque)
[04:54:24] <jmkasunich> how big is Champlain?
[04:54:42] <SWP_Away> about 110 miles long, but most of that is river-width
[04:54:54] <SWP_Away> it's around 15-20 miles wide at its widest, I think
[04:55:10] <jmkasunich> not small
[04:55:14] <SWP_Away> nope
[04:55:33] <SWP_Away> not "great", though it was for a little while
[04:56:43] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich looks at terraserver
[04:57:05] <SWP_Away> heh - google maps, baby ;)
[04:58:06] <SWP_Away> 05401 is the ZIP code for Burlington
[04:58:13] <SWP_Away> (or, one of them)
[04:58:29] <jmkasunich> lake erie's about 250 long x 50 wide (thats what I thought, but wanted to check)
[04:58:50] <SWP_Away> ah
[04:59:03] <SWP_Away> isn't Superior the largest?
[04:59:11] <jmkasunich> I think so
[05:00:34] <jmkasunich> http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=2&S=16&Z=18&X=33&Y=331&W=3
[05:00:40] <jmkasunich> that's where we're going next week
[05:00:53] <jmkasunich> (Bustling downtown Bivalve Md)
[05:01:31] <SWP_Away> heh - my old stomping grounds (close to Aberdeen)
[05:01:38] <SWP_Away> the map at least
[05:02:56] <jmkasunich> I thought aberdeen was on the mainland side?
[05:03:00] <SWP_Away> oh wait - that was pretty tight zoom - it looked like the northern tip of the bay
[05:03:05] <SWP_Away> it is
[05:03:22] <SWP_Away> I misinterpreted the map
[05:03:34] <SWP_Away> (at least I don't point the Howitzers ;) )
[05:03:46] <jmkasunich> here is a tight zoom: http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=10&Z=18&X=2109&Y=21193&W=3
[05:04:13] <SWP_Away> do you drive past the Perdue plant?
[05:04:32] <jmkasunich> their place is in the upper left corner of the triangle of roads
[05:04:35] <SWP_Away> (or was it Tyson?)
[05:04:47] <jmkasunich> the one in Salisbury?
[05:05:08] <SWP_Away> could be -the smelly one ;)
[05:05:14] <jmkasunich> not normally
[05:05:19] <SWP_Away> lucky you
[05:05:37] <SWP_Away> we drove down from Annapolis to Virginia beach one time.
[05:05:42] <jmkasunich> lots of chicken houses that we drive past tho
[05:05:52] <SWP_Away> that chicken plant was the nastiest smell
[05:05:52] <jmkasunich> fortunately this time of year they don't stink to bad
[05:06:06] <SWP_Away> yeah - we did it in high summer
[05:06:15] <SWP_Away> (on the way to the carrier cruise)
[05:08:32] <jmkasunich> you said you are in burlington?
[05:08:48] <SWP_Away> just outside it, in Essex Junction (05452)
[05:09:17] <jmkasunich> at least you have hills (mountains)
[05:09:23] <SWP_Away> yep
[05:09:27] <jmkasunich> the eastern shore is so flat...
[05:09:41] <SWP_Away> only 4400 feet high, but close enough so you still have to look up ;)
[05:09:51] <jmkasunich> I grew up in western PA, appalchian foothills
[05:09:57] <jmkasunich> I don't like flatlands, boring
[05:09:57] <SWP_Away> ah yes - nice area
[05:10:01] <SWP_Away> nope
[05:10:29] <SWP_Away> it was funny when we had our wedding (here)
[05:10:44] <jmkasunich> http://www.terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=12&Z=17&X=683&Y=5623&W=3&qs=%7cmidland%7cpa%7c
[05:10:48] <SWP_Away> my in-laws (to be) were getting tired walking around town, because the hills were so steep for them ;)
[05:10:48] <jmkasunich> my hometown
[05:10:54] <jmkasunich> heh
[05:11:43] <SWP_Away> hmmm - where is that? (relative to Pittsburgh / some other town I may have heard of ;) )
[05:11:56] <jmkasunich> about 40 miles NW of pittsburg
[05:12:01] <SWP_Away> ok
[05:12:05] <jmkasunich> the river is the ohio
[05:12:11] <SWP_Away> right
[05:12:27] <jmkasunich> jump in and float three miles downstream and you'll be in ohio
[05:13:05] <jmkasunich> you know, these online pics are pretty cool
[05:13:13] <SWP_Away> yep
[05:13:41] <jmkasunich> I can almost be sure which house is my parents, it really needs one more zoom in
[05:13:48] <SWP_Away> check out Google's map of Essex Junction - you can see my house
[05:13:57] <jmkasunich> url?
[05:14:15] <SWP_Away> maps.google.com
[05:14:45] <jmkasunich> hmm, it's having a shitfit
[05:14:50] <SWP_Away> the URL doesn't update in my browser - it's javascripty
[05:14:53] <jmkasunich> repeated reloads of the same page
[05:14:59] <SWP_Away> odd
[05:15:04] <SWP_Away> are you on a BDI?
[05:15:08] <jmkasunich> lemme try mozilla
[05:15:19] <SWP_Away> moz works, konq maybe not
[05:15:38] <SWP_Away> try the satellite / map hybrid view - it's pretty cool
[05:15:44] <jmkasunich> BDI-4.27, was using Konq, now trying firefox
[05:16:26] <SWP_Away> have you used Google maps before?
[05:16:29] <jmkasunich> ok, got essex junct
[05:16:47] <SWP_Away> search fro taft street, 05452
[05:16:49] <SWP_Away> for
[05:17:07] <SWP_Away> zoom all the way in, drag the image around to pan
[05:17:18] <jmkasunich> just off main st?
[05:17:23] <SWP_Away> yep
[05:17:31] <SWP_Away> second house on the "bottom" is mine
[05:17:38] <SWP_Away> brown roof
[05:18:10] <jmkasunich> ok, go outside and wave...
[05:18:17] <SWP_Away> heh
[05:18:29] <SWP_Away> ok - now go to http://moon.google.com
[05:19:00] <SWP_Away> and zoom all the way in ;)
[05:19:44] <jmkasunich> lol
[05:20:00] <SWP_Away> though it's supposed to be green ;)
[05:20:55] <jmkasunich> hmm, my parents place is too far out in the sticks for Google, they just have low res image
[05:21:02] <jmkasunich> terraserver has better
[05:21:15] <SWP_Away> yeah - the high-res imagery ends about a mile north of my house here
[05:21:33] <SWP_Away> microsoft has the $$ for it ;)
[05:21:41] <SWP_Away> though Google does too, now
[05:21:51] <jmkasunich> they've got my house tho, search "1256 belrose road 44124"
[05:22:28] <SWP_Away> that's a lotta houses
[05:22:30] <jmkasunich> that's damned impressive really, they actually got the right house
[05:22:39] <jmkasunich> livin' in the burbs
[05:22:44] <SWP_Away> yep
[05:23:01] <SWP_Away> we actually stopped just outside Cleveland on the way to and from Wisconsin
[05:23:02] <jmkasunich> start zooming out, there's lots more
[05:23:45] <SWP_Away> I'm not sure I could live there - I don't think I like people enough ;)
[05:23:59] <jmkasunich> I'd like to live someplace more rural
[05:24:15] <jmkasunich> on the other hand, I have a 1.5 mile commute...
[05:24:39] <SWP_Away> now that's sick - there are two golf course (or one big one) that are the same area as about 1000 house lots
[05:24:51] <SWP_Away> matbe 2000
[05:24:53] <jmkasunich> where at?
[05:25:07] <jmkasunich> oh, I see, SW of my place
[05:25:18] <SWP_Away> between mayfield / cedar, and S green and Richmond road
[05:25:28] <jmkasunich> yes
[05:25:41] <jmkasunich> two different ones
[05:25:49] <SWP_Away> yep
[05:25:59] <jmkasunich> (btw, our lot is probably average, 50' x 200'
[05:26:01] <SWP_Away> kind of points out the scale of money in the US
[05:26:05] <jmkasunich> they cram them in
[05:26:25] <SWP_Away> that's not bad for a city - about 1/4 acre
[05:26:48] <SWP_Away> at least you have the park across the street
[05:26:58] <jmkasunich> yeah, thats nice
[05:27:36] <jmkasunich> if you go due east from the golf courses, across I-271 and lander road, you can see a large white building
[05:27:49] <jmkasunich> actually four connected sections
[05:27:58] <jmkasunich> at about a 45 deg NW/SW angle
[05:28:02] <jmkasunich> thats where I work
[05:28:14] <SWP_Away> that's AB?
[05:28:19] <jmkasunich> yep
[05:28:23] <SWP_Away> cool
[05:28:45] <SWP_Away> everyone asks if I work at IBM, since they have a big plant about 1 mile from my house
[05:28:48] <SWP_Away> (no)
[05:29:08] <SWP_Away> ah yes - Allen Bradley Drive ;)
[05:29:30] <SWP_Away> (have I mentioned that the satellite / map hybrid view is pretty cool?)
[05:29:40] <jmkasunich> yes
[05:29:51] <jmkasunich> (work addy is One Allen Bradley Drive)
[05:30:04] <SWP_Away> nic efire pond they've got there
[05:30:11] <SWP_Away> nice fire ...
[05:30:25] <SWP_Away> hey - two
[05:30:54] <jmkasunich> one in front, one in back
[05:31:00] <SWP_Away> yep
[05:31:14] <SWP_Away> and lots'o parking
[05:31:21] <jmkasunich> and the bigger oval one across the street
[05:31:33] <jmkasunich> I've seen a blue heron hanging around the big one
[05:31:41] <jmkasunich> standing in the shallows looking for lunch
[05:31:46] <SWP_Away> heh
[05:32:51] <jmkasunich> and of course lots of geese
[05:33:03] <SWP_Away> oh shit :)
[05:33:09] <jmkasunich> yep
[05:33:18] <SWP_Away> it really sucks to be under a bird migration
[05:33:27] <SWP_Away> (in a military formation, where you can't move)
[05:33:42] <jmkasunich> "under" as in "wish I had an umbrella"?
[05:33:55] <SWP_Away> the guy next to me got crap in his glove, amazingly enough
[05:34:06] <SWP_Away> yes, exactly
[05:34:28] <SWP_Away> the flock was about 1/2 mile wide, and spanned literally from horizon to horizon
[05:34:35] <SWP_Away> I've never seen that many birds
[05:34:47] <jmkasunich> thats a lotta birdshit
[05:34:53] <SWP_Away> tell me about it
[05:35:56] <SWP_Away> luckily, they had apparently just had a bathroom stop, beacusae I only know of the one hit
[05:36:20] <jmkasunich> I think they lighten ship shortly after takeoff
[05:36:26] <SWP_Away> heh
[05:36:39] <SWP_Away> "dad, why do I have to carry all this shit?"
[05:40:41] <jmkasunich> well, my wife just got home... enjoy the holidays
[05:40:55] <SWP_Away> same for you - see ya next week or so ;)
[05:41:02] <jmkasunich> yep